When, I think of “socialism,” I think of modern day Scandinavian health care, not Soviet-era Russia. Who do these pants -wetting idiots think they’re scaring?
When, I think of “socialism,” I think of modern day Scandinavian health care, not Soviet-era Russia.
One of the upshots of the Great Patriotic War producing so many invalids and disabled veterans was a Soviet state dedicated to providing top quality public services for its veterans. An entire municipality - Rusinovo - was built to cater to the blind, in order to accommodate the number of Soviets who had lost their sight to chemical weapons and other injuries. It became a model for a host of disability-friendly improvements to cities the world over, and you can still find them if you know where to look. The Tokyo subway adopted the Rusinovo model for raised, guided pathways, for instance. And audible signals at crosswalks and in city metros are common mass transit features globally.
After the fall of the USSR, much of the country was privatized and subsequently looted by the Yeltsin-friendly oligarchs who endorsed the coup against Gorbachev. Rusinovo was one such target for looting. The school for the blind was defunded. Factories specifically geared to allow blind workers to participate in the manufacturing center were shuttered and stripped for parts. The transit network was gutted.
Who do these pants -wetting idiots think they’re scaring?
Post-Soviet Eastern Europe is regularly held up as the consequence of Soviet Economics taken to their logical conclusion. So you’ll routinely see Western politicians point to states like Estonia or Solvakia or the shattered remnants of the Yugoslavian Republic as proof of the Failed Socialist Experiment.
What you don’t typically hear is the rapid deterioration that occurred after the USSR was dismantled and partitioned off under Yeltsin. Or how much of the Soviet Era wealth was stolen by mafiosos and corrupt agents operating on behalf of western business interests and rival espionage agencies nce the Iron Curtain was torn down.
In some sense, its a lie. “Look at how awful it is now! That’s because of the socialism they did back then.”
In some sense, its a threat. “Try socialism again, and you’re next.”
If you read the comments before mine you would see that the user I replied to was arguing Scandinavian Healthcare “isn’t socialism” before linking to a video prpduced by “Marxist Student Federation”.
I am the one arguing Socialism and Democracy are not mutually exclusive. Did you miss the reply button for someone else?
At no point in the entire video did she say anything about ending democracy in Sweden. She was talking solely about the economic systems of socialism and capitalism.
Edit: in fact her only mention of the Democratic system was the fact that the capitalist conservatives have completely captured their government. And that is what she was referring to when she talks about a socialist revolution. She’s talking about voting the bastards out.
You indeed said something similar to what I said, although a bit further from the topic at hand, quite so, and I also replied to what you said by rehashing what was said before that, yes. Do you have issue with constant rehashing of what has been said? Why are you getting angry?
All these idiots worshipping Lenin. When Lenin betrayed the revolution after the Bolsheviks lost a 1917 election.
It was the first and last free election in Russia, and Lenin lost. So he declared the Constituent Assembly to be Counter Revolutionary and shut it down after only 13 hours.
This led to the Russian Civil War, where Lenin came out on top as a full totalitarian dictator.
And by definition, you cannot have a socialist or communist anything run by a totalitarian dictator. No, if you have a dictator, the economic policy you have is called Feudalism.
There will never be an equal society of communal ownership without democracy
Democracy is when 60% of your population gets to vote for one of the two corporate stooges propped up by the local corrupt and scloratic cartels. And then those cartels collaborate to siphon off the fruits of the national economy in order to wage endless war against the unaligned states of the third world.
Tyranny is when your worker’s soviets struggles together for over half a century to resist a siege of your island by the world’s most advanced military. You endure shortages of food and fuel and access to even the most common manufactured goods, because of the armed blockade of every port of call in your country. And the resilience required of your national struggle creates such a sense of fierce loyalty to one another that billions of dollars in foreign agitprop, espionage, and fascist-sponsored insurrection cannot compel you or your neighbors to betray the popular political leadership that guide you.
Imagine blaming shortages of food, fuel, and basic goods on people who literally want to trade it to you for cheap crafts, machinery, and textiles instead of the people in charge of your production of food, fuel, and basic goods.
Who do these pants -wetting idiots think they’re scaring?
The boomers who grew up during the Cold War and who continue to have better voter turnout rates than Millennials, even as the latter generation sneaks up on their 40s.
Like…I don’t agree with their policies, but their tactics are objectively effective.
This isn’t an endorsement of conservative fear mongering but rather calling out my fellow Millennials, who’ve recently surpassed boomers as the most populous generation in the US.
who continue to have better voter turnout rates than Millennials
One of the biggest determining factors of enfranchisement is home ownership. Boomers got to plunder the real estate that prior generations had extracted from the First Nations. That land was commoditized and collateralized such that subsequent generations had to pay an enormous premium to get access to it.
Subsequently, home ownership rates after the Boomer generation plunged. More and more property is monopolized by business conglomerates and simply rented out rather than sold. People move more often, chasing lower housing costs and higher wages. So they never develop a local identity, join a local political party, or invest in the long term interest of the community where they reside.
They don’t know who their politicians are or why they should vote for any of them. So they don’t participate. And then they leave an area rather than fight to defend it if the political leadership starts fucking the place up, because they don’t own any of that land anyway.
I’m in the US where my doctor doesn’t give a fuck about my autoimmune condition nor answers any questions I ask except for just renewing my prescription and I have to pay $300 every visit for it
When, I think of “socialism,” I think of modern day Scandinavian health care, not Soviet-era Russia. Who do these pants -wetting idiots think they’re scaring?
One of the upshots of the Great Patriotic War producing so many invalids and disabled veterans was a Soviet state dedicated to providing top quality public services for its veterans. An entire municipality - Rusinovo - was built to cater to the blind, in order to accommodate the number of Soviets who had lost their sight to chemical weapons and other injuries. It became a model for a host of disability-friendly improvements to cities the world over, and you can still find them if you know where to look. The Tokyo subway adopted the Rusinovo model for raised, guided pathways, for instance. And audible signals at crosswalks and in city metros are common mass transit features globally.
After the fall of the USSR, much of the country was privatized and subsequently looted by the Yeltsin-friendly oligarchs who endorsed the coup against Gorbachev. Rusinovo was one such target for looting. The school for the blind was defunded. Factories specifically geared to allow blind workers to participate in the manufacturing center were shuttered and stripped for parts. The transit network was gutted.
Post-Soviet Eastern Europe is regularly held up as the consequence of Soviet Economics taken to their logical conclusion. So you’ll routinely see Western politicians point to states like Estonia or Solvakia or the shattered remnants of the Yugoslavian Republic as proof of the Failed Socialist Experiment.
What you don’t typically hear is the rapid deterioration that occurred after the USSR was dismantled and partitioned off under Yeltsin. Or how much of the Soviet Era wealth was stolen by mafiosos and corrupt agents operating on behalf of western business interests and rival espionage agencies nce the Iron Curtain was torn down.
In some sense, its a lie. “Look at how awful it is now! That’s because of the socialism they did back then.”
In some sense, its a threat. “Try socialism again, and you’re next.”
Some more about why the Nordic model isn’t socialism:
Lmao nah fuck off, yall are the true fake socialists.
There will never be an equal society of communal ownership without democracy, full stop.
Socialism is not a replacement for democracy; it’s a replacement for capitalism.
If you read the comments before mine you would see that the user I replied to was arguing Scandinavian Healthcare “isn’t socialism” before linking to a video prpduced by “Marxist Student Federation”.
I am the one arguing Socialism and Democracy are not mutually exclusive. Did you miss the reply button for someone else?
At no point in the entire video did she say anything about ending democracy in Sweden. She was talking solely about the economic systems of socialism and capitalism.
Edit: in fact her only mention of the Democratic system was the fact that the capitalist conservatives have completely captured their government. And that is what she was referring to when she talks about a socialist revolution. She’s talking about voting the bastards out.
Do less drugs mate
You sound offended that I replied to you. If what I said is not in contradiction of what you said; why are you coming at me?
You indeed said something similar to what I said, although a bit further from the topic at hand, quite so, and I also replied to what you said by rehashing what was said before that, yes. Do you have issue with constant rehashing of what has been said? Why are you getting angry?
All these idiots worshipping Lenin. When Lenin betrayed the revolution after the Bolsheviks lost a 1917 election.
It was the first and last free election in Russia, and Lenin lost. So he declared the Constituent Assembly to be Counter Revolutionary and shut it down after only 13 hours.
This led to the Russian Civil War, where Lenin came out on top as a full totalitarian dictator.
And by definition, you cannot have a socialist or communist anything run by a totalitarian dictator. No, if you have a dictator, the economic policy you have is called Feudalism.
I mean, Lenin never even really won an election within his own party. He was certainly no democrat.
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Democracy is when 60% of your population gets to vote for one of the two corporate stooges propped up by the local corrupt and scloratic cartels. And then those cartels collaborate to siphon off the fruits of the national economy in order to wage endless war against the unaligned states of the third world.
Tyranny is when your worker’s soviets struggles together for over half a century to resist a siege of your island by the world’s most advanced military. You endure shortages of food and fuel and access to even the most common manufactured goods, because of the armed blockade of every port of call in your country. And the resilience required of your national struggle creates such a sense of fierce loyalty to one another that billions of dollars in foreign agitprop, espionage, and fascist-sponsored insurrection cannot compel you or your neighbors to betray the popular political leadership that guide you.
Imagine blaming shortages of food, fuel, and basic goods on people who literally want to trade it to you for cheap crafts, machinery, and textiles instead of the people in charge of your production of food, fuel, and basic goods.
Scandinavian healthcare isn’t socialism though, that’s part of the problem.
Well, considering the election results in Europe and the US, they are scaring a whole lot of people.
The boomers who grew up during the Cold War and who continue to have better voter turnout rates than Millennials, even as the latter generation sneaks up on their 40s.
Like…I don’t agree with their policies, but their tactics are objectively effective.
This isn’t an endorsement of conservative fear mongering but rather calling out my fellow Millennials, who’ve recently surpassed boomers as the most populous generation in the US.
Show up and vote, god dammit.
One of the biggest determining factors of enfranchisement is home ownership. Boomers got to plunder the real estate that prior generations had extracted from the First Nations. That land was commoditized and collateralized such that subsequent generations had to pay an enormous premium to get access to it.
Subsequently, home ownership rates after the Boomer generation plunged. More and more property is monopolized by business conglomerates and simply rented out rather than sold. People move more often, chasing lower housing costs and higher wages. So they never develop a local identity, join a local political party, or invest in the long term interest of the community where they reside.
They don’t know who their politicians are or why they should vote for any of them. So they don’t participate. And then they leave an area rather than fight to defend it if the political leadership starts fucking the place up, because they don’t own any of that land anyway.
The Boomers vote with their ballots.
The Zoomers vote with their feet.
Ah yes scandinavian healthcare where I can’t get my doctor to give a fuck about my back pain because people under 30 don’t have back pain obviously
I’m in the US where my doctor doesn’t give a fuck about my autoimmune condition nor answers any questions I ask except for just renewing my prescription and I have to pay $300 every visit for it
There will always be some incompetent people in every profession. I’m sorry your doctor is one of them
It’s an systemic problem in Denmark. I don’t know anyone in my area whos happy with their doctor
Hopefully the system can be changed. It’s evident that it needs to be addressed after the discovery and public rage against the monetary practices.