• Socialist Mormon SatanistOPM
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    Ok, so it’s legal to call them “news” then. If it weren’t they wouldn’t be called “Fox News.”

    Dude, they’re a news org. I know you hate them. I understand. That’s ok. But they are still news, even if you hate them. There is no law against them or anyone calling them and treating them like a news org. That’s why they are still around.

    I’m not even conservative or voting conservative, and I can see that. Just accept it, friend.

    • @Burn_The_Right
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      it’s legal to call them “news”

      Legal does not equal Honest

      You are arguing in bad faith, as usual. Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.

      • Socialist Mormon SatanistOPM
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        You are arguing in bad faith, as usual

        Explain how I’m arguing in bad faith? We weren’t talking about “honesty” we were talking legal stuff. And you brought up legal stuff. Everything I said was true.

        Basically what you mean is that YOU don’t think they should be called a news org. And that YOU think it’s dishonest to say.

        It doesn’t count as bad faith just because you disagree with it, friend. :)

        Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.

        Cool! I’m not a conservative, so I don’t care.

        • @Burn_The_Right
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          Explain how I’m arguing in bad faith?

          You are attempting to defend a tabloid as a reasonable source of true information by pretending that a lack of legal remedy for lies justifies their admitted dishonesty. As such, your bad faith position is apparent on its face.

          As always, every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation.

          • Socialist Mormon SatanistOPM
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            No, try again.

            You’re mad because Fox News is still a thing. And you don’t think it should be.

            Just fucking admit it, dude. Stop trying to hide behind “oh you are arguing in bad faith!” or “You’re defending a tabloid!!”

            Dude you hate Fox News. You hate conservatives. You hate the election is going to be close, so you feel that Fox News is adding to the danger of your candidate not winning.

            Just fucking have the balls to say it. It’s not even something to be worried about because most of Lemmy feels the same way you do! lol

            Stop being a pussy and hiding behind “bad faith!” accusations. Fucking just come out and be upfront about it.

            And you’re arguing with me and I’m not even a conservative or voting for Trump! lololol Feel free to block me and/or this community if you are gonna just make up shit about bad faith. :)

            • @Burn_The_Right
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              lololol

              Even your emote after your angry, accusatory rant seems dishonest.

              It’s almost like every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Even the emotes.

              • Socialist Mormon SatanistOPM
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                I’m not angry. I just think it’s funny that you’re such a pussy you can’t even admit what you really feel. Everyone on Lemmy hates me. But I don’t care and you don’t see me being gentle and careful about it. :)

                But you’re acting like a fucking pussy who is afraid to say something wrong.

                It’s almost like every word uttered by you is deception or manipulation.

                So stop being a pussy. Say what you think. I don’t give a fuck because I’m voting socialist. I’ll laugh at you if Harris wins, cuz you deserve it. I’ll laugh at you if Trump wins, cuz you deserve it. :)

                • @Burn_The_Right
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                  If your position is defensible, why must you resort to insults? Also, not everyone on Lemmy hates you. Some of us don’t hate you at all. You are better than this.

                  • Socialist Mormon SatanistOPM
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                    Because you are pussy-footing around and making up shit like saying that I’m arguing in “bad faith.”

                    Bro, if I actually wanted to stir the pot like people think I do, I’d be shouting from the rooftops that I’m voting for Trump just to watch everyone lose their minds. Imagine the chaos! If it were true, I’d own it and make sure everyone knew. So yeah, if I’m not saying it, it’s because it’s not happening! Lmao!

                    And very sweet that you don’t hate me. But it doesn’t change the fact that you were being dishonest by saying that I was arguing in bad faith.

                    When the reality is that you are pissed that Fox News gets away with the bullshit they get away with. And that you think that I am not helping that matter by posting links to their site.

                    And that’s valid. But just fucking say that instead of saying I’m arguing in bad faith. lol

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      They are literally not news, at least according to the case where exactly that was litigated, BUT they are legally allowed to lie about that, insofar as calling themselves “news” is concerned. There’s a vast difference.

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          Wanna know who does not disagree with me? The judge who ruled on this question in a case against Fox News. Wanna know why she came to that conclusion?`Because, and get this, because FOX NEWS themselves argued as follows:

          Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

          As Defendant notes, Mr. Carlson himself aims to “challenge[] political correctness and media bias.” Def. Br. at 14. This “general tenor” of the show should then inform a viewer that he is notstating actual facts” about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in “exaggerationandnon-literal commentary.” […] Fox persuasively argues, see Def Br. at 13-15, that given Mr. Carlson’s reputation, any reasonable viewer “arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism” about the statements he makes.

          (emphasis in bold by me)

          So Fox News claim they are not news, but commentary talk shows. Again: Fox News themselves agree with me when I say Fox News is not news and according to Fox News themselves, they cannot be reasonably understood as being factual.

          Fox News disagrees with you.

          • Socialist Mormon SatanistOPM
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            I don’t care. They are referred to as a news org, even in wikipedia. So I’ll keep using them. Thanks!

            • @beebarfbadger
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              Ah, I see. Like I’m referring to my old bicycle as “my Harley” even though I know it isn’t one, it does not legally fulfill any of the criteria to legally count as a motorcycle, and nobody in their right mind would take me seriously when I say that, but it’s my little in-joke that I’m calling it that on the web. Got it.

              • Socialist Mormon SatanistOPM
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                Cool story. Haven’t changed my mind. Lots of people disagree with you, they are called Fox News, and regardless of what you think, I’ll keep posting. If you don’t like, you can leave, block me, and/or block this community! Thanks, comrade!

                • @beebarfbadger
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                  Oh, you misunderstand, I have no interest in you or me leaving or not posting anymore. I’m just pointing out that agreeing or disagreeing with me has absolutely no effect on the fact that Fox News does not, in objectively discernible reality, meet the bar for being counted as a news outlet. Fox News and I agree on that, but the agreeing is not what makes it true. And you’re gonna be really disappointed when you find out that Jeff Bezos’ company may be called Amazon, but it isn’t actually a river in South America.

                  • Socialist Mormon SatanistOPM
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                    And I’m just pointing out that agreeing or disagreeing with me has absolutely no effect on the fact that Fox News is deemed a news outlet by other news outlets and most of the public.

                    So be as mad as you want. And feel free to update the Wikipedia page, which lists it as a news organization. Thanks, comrade!