Honestly, I’ve only ever had problems with Wayland so far. So many times when I look up the issue tracker for a software I’m having issues with, the solution is always “switch to a DE that uses Xorg.”
I get that it’s not a mature software yet, but neither should people be pushing to use it until it is.
Not here. This is not linux desktop share where every actor is an independent agent and all options are viable. Xorg is developed by the same people doing Wayland, and they decided Xorg is dead and will only receive security updates. I agree that Wayland compatibility is still not fully mature. But unfortunately for all those devs the upgrade window is moving fast and eventually their software will be left behind unless they change to Wayland. At this point Xorg is not even the default anymore.
Totally, nothing in Linux land ever truly dies. Someone, somewhere will surely fork it once it is never updated anymore. But I wouldn’t want to be that person either.
“Here, switch to this software! Except it doesn’t support half of the features of the old one and it never will. Why? Uhhhh idk security or something. What was that? Will we add a way to securely allow these things? Lol no”
Global keyboard shortcuts, copy-paste, window position save/restore, screen recording, probably a few others I’m forgetting. I know some compositors implement these, but they aren’t part of the Wayland standard so it’s a bit hit-or-miss afaik.
Honestly, I’ve only ever had problems with Wayland so far. So many times when I look up the issue tracker for a software I’m having issues with, the solution is always “switch to a DE that uses Xorg.”
I get that it’s not a mature software yet, but neither should people be pushing to use it until it is.
That’s called a paradox, it’ll never be mature software if people don’t move to it so edge cases can be found and fixed.
Not here. This is not linux desktop share where every actor is an independent agent and all options are viable. Xorg is developed by the same people doing Wayland, and they decided Xorg is dead and will only receive security updates. I agree that Wayland compatibility is still not fully mature. But unfortunately for all those devs the upgrade window is moving fast and eventually their software will be left behind unless they change to Wayland. At this point Xorg is not even the default anymore.
I fully expect people to keep using a broken Xorg, not move into wayland, and not fork and keep it updated.
But the devs are free to do whatever they want. No opinions there. I wouldn’t want to maintain Xorg either.
Totally, nothing in Linux land ever truly dies. Someone, somewhere will surely fork it once it is never updated anymore. But I wouldn’t want to be that person either.
Aside from sway, I’m trying to think of a DE that doesn’t support Xorg.
Hyprland? Also cosmic technically
Hyprland is not a DE
Neither is sway
Neither is sway. If I understand correctly they’re both WMs, unless you meant something else.
“Here, switch to this software! Except it doesn’t support half of the features of the old one and it never will. Why? Uhhhh idk security or something. What was that? Will we add a way to securely allow these things? Lol no”
What features are you talking about?
People say this all the time but can never give any actual examples.
Global keyboard shortcuts, copy-paste, window position save/restore, screen recording, probably a few others I’m forgetting. I know some compositors implement these, but they aren’t part of the Wayland standard so it’s a bit hit-or-miss afaik.