• @someguy3
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    143 days ago

    Hey vote and you can accomplish alllll this wonderful stuff, all the stuff you want.

    You: wHy dO yOu WaNt mE tO vOtE iN fEaR.

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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      32 days ago

      Hey vote and you can accomplish alllll this wonderful stuff, all the stuff you want

      Voting is a necessary but not sufficient condition for accomplishing things. For example, I voted for Obama to get some kind of single payer and that didn’t happen.

      Plus there’s things I want that no amount of voting will accomplish, like the dissolution of nation-states.

      • @someguy3
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        12 days ago

        What Dems need is consistent and overwhelming victories. Want single payer? Then you need more house reps and senators so Manchin types can’t water it down. Thus the message in the original post.

        • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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          22 days ago

          Unfortunately I can’t vote in other districts or states so I’m at the whims of whatever everyone else does.

          Like I said in another post: Voting is a group project and everyone in my group is ignorant and short-sighted. I hold no hope for ever getting the sort of overwhelming victories we need.

          If it will take forty years of solid Democratic majorities to unfuck this country then it will never be unfucked.

          • @someguy3
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            12 days ago

            This is the point where I point to the original post.

            • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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              The original post is very Pollyanna and ignores systemic and demographic problems that will never allow that level of domination.

              I’ve been voting for 25 years and these things haven’t happened, and I don’t think they will ever happen.

              • @someguy3
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                12 days ago

                It’s a tad simplistic but it’s on point because the left never shows up or votes 3rd party. If they showed up, it would be a big change.

                • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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                  12 days ago

                  I think the reason the left never shows up is because they don’t exist in the numbers Internet wonks think they do.

                  • @someguy3
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                    12 days ago

                    Maybe, maybe not. But 3rd party instead of Gore cost him the election. I think the protest non voters cost Hillary the election. And in any case the target for discussion here is all these Lemmy users that don’t vote in protest.

    • @leftofjillstein
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      -123 days ago

      Voting for the status quo for many decades did not improve the lives of workers.

      In fact, we are involved in multiple wars, and our economy is not doing so well again.

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        Do you notice you misportray again? You vote for change. Sure it might be a little change until the Dems are sure they can keep winning, but that’s how change starts. Like, see the original post again.

        Carter wanted to change things. And he got voted the fuck out.

        So Clinton learned to go to the center, and he won.

        Gore wanted to change things and ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.

        So Obama learned to not say anything. He ran on vague hope. But he did the ACA. And what was his thanks? To lose the House of Reps, then again lose the house of reps, and then to lose both the house of reps and the senate.

        Clinton said she’d have a map room to fight climate change. And bam she lost the election.

        So Biden learned to stfu about environmentalism. And he won. But Biden did green energy anyway. And what was his thanks? Polls said he was going to lose.

        So Kamala also learned to stfu about environmentalism and pretty much anything progressive.

        That’s what the situation is. The Dems go to the center because everytime they look left they loose. How do you make things progress? By giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories.

      • @ABCDE
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        23 days ago

        our economy is not doing so well again.

        Uhh