It is not an established fact, Israel is nothing like South African apartheid. 21% of Israeli citizens are Arab with full rights.
The reason Palestineans outside of Israel are treated differently is not because their people are a different ethnicity, it’s because their nation keeps trying to murder Jews and destroy Israel. They’ve tried violence unsuccessfully for about a century and they’re all out of ideas.
There’s a lot of falsehoods you just stated, but let’s start with one of the common misconceptions: that Palestinians have never tried peaceful protests. They did, many times, most recently in the great march of return.
Did you not read this part of the article you linked?:
smaller groups attempted to breach the fence, rolling tires, and throwing stones and molotov cocktails. Israeli officials said the demonstrations were used by Hamas as cover for launching attacks against Israel.
At least 189 Palestinians were killed between 30 March and 31 December 2018. An independent United Nations commission said that at least 29 out of the 189 killed were militants. Other sources claim a higher figure, of at least 40.
Maybe they should try suing for peace and enforcing it internally instead of protesting and trying to breach the border fence? Or perhaps depose violent groups like Hamas and renounce intifada?
If you think this has been a peaceful resistance, you haven’t been paying attention.
Get ratio-ed you fascist boot licker. Don’t believe every tweet daddy Donny and auntie Elon put up on Shitter and maybe read a history book that wasn’t published in “the land of the free”.
You are completely wrong about the history of the conflict. You are also conflating Zionism with Judaism, which are 2 very different things. Israel has never represented all Jewish people and never will, nor are it’s actions done to benefit all Jewish people. The conflation is itself antisemitic. Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized (see 29:01) by Zionism during its history.
Origins of Zionism
Zionism is a settler colonialism project that was able to really start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a ‘modern’ way to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ of Europe.
Since at least the 1860’s, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it’s backing of the movement in order to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.
That’s when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be ‘Transferred’ to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
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Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction
that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Yes. In mandatory Palestine before Israel was a thing, Arab nationalists were murdering Jews, this is what started the cycle of violence in earnest and is one of the reasons they banded together in self-defense and formed Israel.
The Zionists, whose explicit aims were to found a Jewish state in Palestine (what would later be Israel), were the targets as far back as the Ottoman control of the area.
Even terror attacks such as the Munich Massacre were pretty specifically targetting Israeli expatriats.
Mostly my beef is with the conflation of Jewish and Israeli. They do not represent all Jews, and any conflation of those distinct groups should be put down.
It is not an established fact, Israel is nothing like South African apartheid. 21% of Israeli citizens are Arab with full rights.
The reason Palestineans outside of Israel are treated differently is not because their people are a different ethnicity, it’s because their nation keeps trying to murder Jews and destroy Israel. They’ve tried violence unsuccessfully for about a century and they’re all out of ideas.
There’s a lot of falsehoods you just stated, but let’s start with one of the common misconceptions: that Palestinians have never tried peaceful protests. They did, many times, most recently in the great march of return.
They were shot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests
Did you not read this part of the article you linked?:
Maybe they should try suing for peace and enforcing it internally instead of protesting and trying to breach the border fence? Or perhaps depose violent groups like Hamas and renounce intifada?
If you think this has been a peaceful resistance, you haven’t been paying attention.
Currently they’re being killed and shot for sitting in their refugee tent.
Previously, when they attempted peaceful protests they were shot. There are countless videos of this.
Paraplegic children are shot square through their foreheads, for simply laying in a bed.
Thank you for putting in the work trying to educate. You’ve got far more patience than I. These links will be sent to a few choice family members.
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Get ratio-ed you fascist boot licker. Don’t believe every tweet daddy Donny and auntie Elon put up on Shitter and maybe read a history book that wasn’t published in “the land of the free”.
No freedom until we all are free
Long live the Intifada 🇵🇸✊
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It is a completely established fact. There are multiple detailed reports by Human Rights Organizations, including an Israeli one (B’TSelem)
Amnesty Report
Human Rights Watch Report
B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer
You are completely wrong about the history of the conflict. You are also conflating Zionism with Judaism, which are 2 very different things. Israel has never represented all Jewish people and never will, nor are it’s actions done to benefit all Jewish people. The conflation is itself antisemitic. Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized (see 29:01) by Zionism during its history.
Origins of Zionism
Zionism is a settler colonialism project that was able to really start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a ‘modern’ way to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ of Europe.
Since at least the 1860’s, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it’s backing of the movement in order to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.
That’s when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be ‘Transferred’ to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
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Settlements, Occupation, and Apartheid
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Historian Works on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
Murder Jews or Israelis?
If their goal is to murder Jews, they’d have an easier time of it most anywhere else.
Yes. In mandatory Palestine before Israel was a thing, Arab nationalists were murdering Jews, this is what started the cycle of violence in earnest and is one of the reasons they banded together in self-defense and formed Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine
The Zionists, whose explicit aims were to found a Jewish state in Palestine (what would later be Israel), were the targets as far back as the Ottoman control of the area.
Even terror attacks such as the Munich Massacre were pretty specifically targetting Israeli expatriats.
Mostly my beef is with the conflation of Jewish and Israeli. They do not represent all Jews, and any conflation of those distinct groups should be put down.
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