The problem you have here is that it’s simply not an important issue for most people that are likely to vote in this election. It’s not even in the top ten most important issues for the overwhelming majority of people. Harping on this issue does nothing to help, won’t change the core position, and is likely to end up harming the cause of stopping genocide.
“Soft on terrorism” is a good way to lose a fairly large chunk of voters (because the Oct. 7 attack was terrorism, no matter how you want to justify it). “Opposing genocide” only attracts a very, very small number of voters that wouldn’t have already been voting Democratic.
Is this shitty? Sure. Welcome to the worst nightmare of all: reality.
For voters that lean Democratic, the top issues are healthcare (76%), SCOTUS appointments (73%), abortion (67%), economy (68%), climate change (62%), gun policy (59%), racial and ethnic equality (56%), and finally foreign policy (54%). Foreign policy covers a lot of ground, and it’s number 8 overall on the list of most important things to Democratic voters. While it’s hard to find polling on the genocide in Palestine specifically, the number of people for whom that is the most important factor is very, very low
It may be true that, of the people who are normally back-the-blue-no-matter-who that aren’t this year, that it comes down to genocide in Palestine, it’s simply not true for voters as a whole. You can argue that it should be important, but–again–“soft on terrorism” is not a winning strategy in a national political race, and that’s exactly how Republicans spin any support for the tens of thousands of Palestinian non-combatants that have been genocided by Israel. Including the Palestinians in the West Bank that are being murdered by Jewish right-wing extremists.
I hope Harris wins, and I hope that she does more than Biden has been willing and able to do. But if Trump wins, then we’re pretty much guaranteed that Israel is going to eliminate all Palestinians in the region.
I’m not wrong and you are citing something focused on “all” of democratic voters. I’m not taking about “all” voters; I’m specifically talking about the 2-3% of uncommitted voters in swing states for whom a genocide is a bridge too far
She needs to target a specific voter block that are literally registered democrats who are struggling to justify this vote. Yes, a small group, but you can not blame Arab American and Muslim voters for not voting for Harris. Harris has to move on this issue and it’s enough voters to get her back into the black in states that she literally just went from winning, to now losing.
I mean shit, steal Pelossi’s move and just become very critical of Netantahu. Literally it’s too late for AIPAC to do shit. I’m not even asking for a campaign promise here. A strongly worded statement or comment. Give us something, literally anything to try and get her maybe +3 in these races.
I promise if you and all the people who consider Palestine their key issue voted for Trump it would still make absolutely no difference in the election.
Every person YOU have heard of- in your bubble. They’re not talking about your friends. Your coworkers there taking about average voters. I’ve seen your nonsense here- you’re not average.
It’s not an important issue to a lot more people than you think. And yes, it sucks that people aren’t paying attention to it as they should, but look around man…
We are about to lose our democracy. Bigger fish to fry here at home.
I want her to win bruh. And this is the stick in her spokes. There is no daylight between her and Biden, and no meaningful daylight between her and Trump.
She needs to win. She’s losing on this issue with the key demographics she needs to get the 1-3% she needs to win the swing states. Throw away the moral wrong if supporting a genocide. Quite literally, it’s just a strategically bad decision to not distance herself from Israel and this genocide.
One is a literal convicted criminal who tried to start a civil war who has modernised bigotry and racism. Who gives away highly classified information and tells people that migrants are eating their pets
The other is someone who actually follows and fully understands the law
Do you really believe in a international Court of law of any type they can convict Biden or kamala of genocide?
I don’t. Because you’re blowing their involvement way out of proportion
But Trump already lost court cases for being a rapist at a minimum, and he is a convicted tax cheat
He’s literally going to hurricane affected areas and lying to people and telling them Biden is leaving them to suffer. And, the lies are so bad that even disaster response are having to waste time doing press conferences EXPLICITLY to rebuke those lies as they cause harm.
He does so much incredibly bad shit that people forget all the bad shit he does. The only way you couldn’t see a difference would be if your standards are super low. Sorry, there is NO comparison. Literally, the only real argument I’ve seen against Kamala is Israel (and they’re also an ally, so it might not be as easy as people think). With Trump, he still won’t change that (but claims he’ll create world peace), and he’ll fuck American’s to death (and many of us international people).
Internationally, it’s not even a debate between the two. He’s basically fucking up international relationships with lots of countries including Australia, and humbly bragging about being friends with dictators.
Everywhere I look… She’s winning, despite your accusations of gEnOciDe sUpPorT. Keep in mind that just becasue you create a reality that drives whatever nonsense you’re trying to say, that doesn’t mean everyone else has to adhere to it.
Code share so you can replicate the analysis yourself, https://codeshare.io/zl96xj. This is what I form my opinion: real actual data pulled as of about 30s ago when I ran the script.
Arizona. Increasing poll numbers up to the 10th of Sept. Declining polling since.
Florida, same story:
GA, same story:
MI, same story:
NV, same story:
Reality. Harris’s poll numbers were going up for a while. They aren’t any more. They are declining.
Love how the Dems haven’t learned a single fucking thing from Hillary, and are already attacking statistical analysis showing that once again this will be an election won by the tiniest of margins.
I love how leftists produce their own data to support bullshit that they then feed one another on the daily here.
This “statistical analysis” is home-grown bullshit that’s been dismissed time and again. But you do you bud. In a month, we won’t have to hear from ant if you again. Because if Harris wins, you will all pile on the celebrations and pretend you had nothing to do with it, like you did in 2020-
and if she loses, you’ll disappear into a cloud of vapor and resurface as victims of your own ignorance, lie you did in 2016.
Riiiiight. If you say so. It stil doesn’t change the fact that you’re using your own scripts to support points that disagree with pretty much everyone else.
Look man. I’ve been around a while. I see things. You’ve been called out over this by many- MANY people with FAR more patience than I have, so if you want to know my take on it-
Just reference EVERONE that has ever disagreed with your rhetoric. Maybe… I don’t know-
Riiiiight. If you say so. It stil doesn’t change the fact that you’re using your own scripts to support points that disagree with pretty much everyone else.
Bruh, its a simple fucking analysis that any one with two braincells to squeak together can understand. What was the trend for the last 30 days? What was the trend before that? How are things going?
But reality doesn’t agree with your bias, so reality must be wrong.
Let’s ask you about your genocide. Lots of child and slave Labor probably producing the stuff you’re buying.
Foxconn had lots of suicides. Etc. What are you doing about that?
Israel at least in an Ally, so there might be some debate there (I don’t think they’re right, but at least there is some doubt in my mind that I don’t know the full situation, as it is highly politicised). I do know that Trump raped women though and lies
Sounds fun. Lets ask her about genocide.
She’ll enable it appropriately 99% less than the ONLY OTHER OPTION, who seeks to ACTIVELY ENCOURAGE genocide.
The problem you have here is that it’s simply not an important issue for most people that are likely to vote in this election. It’s not even in the top ten most important issues for the overwhelming majority of people. Harping on this issue does nothing to help, won’t change the core position, and is likely to end up harming the cause of stopping genocide.
“Soft on terrorism” is a good way to lose a fairly large chunk of voters (because the Oct. 7 attack was terrorism, no matter how you want to justify it). “Opposing genocide” only attracts a very, very small number of voters that wouldn’t have already been voting Democratic.
Is this shitty? Sure. Welcome to the worst nightmare of all: reality.
That’s just not fucking true dude.
Every person Ive heard of who would normally be rank and file for Harris and ain’t this year it’s because of the genocide.
It’s fucking ridiculousness that she’s left herself this open to failure because of some lobbyists.
You’re simply wrong.
For voters that lean Democratic, the top issues are healthcare (76%), SCOTUS appointments (73%), abortion (67%), economy (68%), climate change (62%), gun policy (59%), racial and ethnic equality (56%), and finally foreign policy (54%). Foreign policy covers a lot of ground, and it’s number 8 overall on the list of most important things to Democratic voters. While it’s hard to find polling on the genocide in Palestine specifically, the number of people for whom that is the most important factor is very, very low
It may be true that, of the people who are normally back-the-blue-no-matter-who that aren’t this year, that it comes down to genocide in Palestine, it’s simply not true for voters as a whole. You can argue that it should be important, but–again–“soft on terrorism” is not a winning strategy in a national political race, and that’s exactly how Republicans spin any support for the tens of thousands of Palestinian non-combatants that have been genocided by Israel. Including the Palestinians in the West Bank that are being murdered by Jewish right-wing extremists.
I hope Harris wins, and I hope that she does more than Biden has been willing and able to do. But if Trump wins, then we’re pretty much guaranteed that Israel is going to eliminate all Palestinians in the region.
I’m not wrong and you are citing something focused on “all” of democratic voters. I’m not taking about “all” voters; I’m specifically talking about the 2-3% of uncommitted voters in swing states for whom a genocide is a bridge too far
She needs to target a specific voter block that are literally registered democrats who are struggling to justify this vote. Yes, a small group, but you can not blame Arab American and Muslim voters for not voting for Harris. Harris has to move on this issue and it’s enough voters to get her back into the black in states that she literally just went from winning, to now losing.
I mean shit, steal Pelossi’s move and just become very critical of Netantahu. Literally it’s too late for AIPAC to do shit. I’m not even asking for a campaign promise here. A strongly worded statement or comment. Give us something, literally anything to try and get her maybe +3 in these races.
Good, vote for Trump, or stein or whoever.
I promise if you and all the people who consider Palestine their key issue voted for Trump it would still make absolutely no difference in the election.
But please, prove me wrong.
Ah yes. The projection that I’m the one not voting for Harris.
Every person YOU have heard of- in your bubble. They’re not talking about your friends. Your coworkers there taking about average voters. I’ve seen your nonsense here- you’re not average.
It’s not an important issue to a lot more people than you think. And yes, it sucks that people aren’t paying attention to it as they should, but look around man…
We are about to lose our democracy. Bigger fish to fry here at home.
Stop trying to make fetch happen, it’s not going to happen!
So brave. So enlightened.
[slow clap, shaking head]
I want her to win bruh. And this is the stick in her spokes. There is no daylight between her and Biden, and no meaningful daylight between her and Trump.
She needs to win. She’s losing on this issue with the key demographics she needs to get the 1-3% she needs to win the swing states. Throw away the moral wrong if supporting a genocide. Quite literally, it’s just a strategically bad decision to not distance herself from Israel and this genocide.
Wtf are you talking about?
One is a literal convicted criminal who tried to start a civil war who has modernised bigotry and racism. Who gives away highly classified information and tells people that migrants are eating their pets
The other is someone who actually follows and fully understands the law
Do you really believe in a international Court of law of any type they can convict Biden or kamala of genocide?
I don’t. Because you’re blowing their involvement way out of proportion
But Trump already lost court cases for being a rapist at a minimum, and he is a convicted tax cheat
He’s literally going to hurricane affected areas and lying to people and telling them Biden is leaving them to suffer. And, the lies are so bad that even disaster response are having to waste time doing press conferences EXPLICITLY to rebuke those lies as they cause harm.
He does so much incredibly bad shit that people forget all the bad shit he does. The only way you couldn’t see a difference would be if your standards are super low. Sorry, there is NO comparison. Literally, the only real argument I’ve seen against Kamala is Israel (and they’re also an ally, so it might not be as easy as people think). With Trump, he still won’t change that (but claims he’ll create world peace), and he’ll fuck American’s to death (and many of us international people).
Internationally, it’s not even a debate between the two. He’s basically fucking up international relationships with lots of countries including Australia, and humbly bragging about being friends with dictators.
Nobody gives a fuck about the Palestinians who isn’t in a hardcore blue state.
Any remotely swing states could potentially swing right because they don’t want to see us being soft on potential Muslim terrists.
Trump could GAIN points by saying his first day in office he’d bomb Gaza to glass.
Ahh yes. The 17% of Michigan, registered Democrats, who voted uncommitted, in a swing state…
Yeah sure… ok.
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Yeah bud… MANY people give a shit about the issue. And while the gEnOciDE crowd are obnoxious… that doesn’t mean the underlying point isn’t relevant.
Chill.
I’m sure it’s relevant.
But holy shit they’re getting as obnoxious as the Trumpers at this point, and that must take dire dedication.
People should chill the fuck out, and they are absolutely harshing everyone’s mellow.
You sound like someone who is cool with genocide.
I wouldn’t say they’re cool with genocide, but they’re clearly unhinged af… I’m with ya on this. (Mostly)
https://abc7news.com/pro-palestinian-protesters-shut-down-golden-gate-bridge-and-i-880-in-oakland/14668534/
I’m unhinged.
These fuckers are obnoxious at fuck, and they need to understand they’re hurting their cause by being complete fucktards.
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WTF DUDE!?!? I felt dirty just copying and pasting that hateful shit.
bUt mUh gEnoCiDe!!!
Why don’t you do that after the election, sport.
Cus she needs to win and she’s not. And it’s because of the genocide.
Everywhere I look… She’s winning, despite your accusations of gEnOciDe sUpPorT. Keep in mind that just becasue you create a reality that drives whatever nonsense you’re trying to say, that doesn’t mean everyone else has to adhere to it.
Code share so you can replicate the analysis yourself, https://codeshare.io/zl96xj. This is what I form my opinion: real actual data pulled as of about 30s ago when I ran the script.
Arizona. Increasing poll numbers up to the 10th of Sept. Declining polling since.
Florida, same story:
GA, same story:
MI, same story:
NV, same story:
Reality. Harris’s poll numbers were going up for a while. They aren’t any more. They are declining.
Love how the Dems haven’t learned a single fucking thing from Hillary, and are already attacking statistical analysis showing that once again this will be an election won by the tiniest of margins.
I love how leftists produce their own data to support bullshit that they then feed one another on the daily here.
This “statistical analysis” is home-grown bullshit that’s been dismissed time and again. But you do you bud. In a month, we won’t have to hear from ant if you again. Because if Harris wins, you will all pile on the celebrations and pretend you had nothing to do with it, like you did in 2020-
and if she loses, you’ll disappear into a cloud of vapor and resurface as victims of your own ignorance, lie you did in 2016.
Aaaaand… where are you pulling this from exactly? OHHHH! Right it’s your own data. Amazing how it supports your argument.
You’ll have to excuse me while I laugh a bit before I summarily dismiss your nonsense.
These are from Nate Slivers data stores that I have access to. These are not his models, these are the raw poll results.
Thats because you don’t live in reality.
Riiiiight. If you say so. It stil doesn’t change the fact that you’re using your own scripts to support points that disagree with pretty much everyone else.
Look man. I’ve been around a while. I see things. You’ve been called out over this by many- MANY people with FAR more patience than I have, so if you want to know my take on it-
Just reference EVERONE that has ever disagreed with your rhetoric. Maybe… I don’t know-
Write a script for it.
Bruh, its a simple fucking analysis that any one with two braincells to squeak together can understand. What was the trend for the last 30 days? What was the trend before that? How are things going?
But reality doesn’t agree with your bias, so reality must be wrong.
If I have to choose between the welfare of my country and democracy and the welfare of the Palestinians… That’s not a complex equation for me.
Let’s ask you about your genocide. Lots of child and slave Labor probably producing the stuff you’re buying.
Foxconn had lots of suicides. Etc. What are you doing about that?
Israel at least in an Ally, so there might be some debate there (I don’t think they’re right, but at least there is some doubt in my mind that I don’t know the full situation, as it is highly politicised). I do know that Trump raped women though and lies