• Andy
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    1257 hours ago

    There is a lot about this that is nuts, but one thing that really jumps out at me.

    It seems like Netanyahu is planning an October surprise to shank Harris. And it seems like he is doing it in broad daylight. It certainly seems like a massive offensive strike on Iran one or two weeks before the election is a straightforward way to throw a close election to Trump.

    But with this I have to ask: are Biden and Harris assisting with a plan that is clearly intended to cost Harris the election?

    I want to say that they surely must’ve told Israel not to launch anything before election day. But based in their actions so far, it doesn’t seem like they’re imposing a “no election interference against us personally” requirement as a condition of their assistance.

    I guess we’ll see.

    • @Maggoty
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      222 minutes ago

      If Harris is in on a plan to strike Iran it wouldn’t cost her the election in the US. All they have to do is say, “We received credible intelligence that Iran had decided to sprint for a nuclear warhead. We had to act in a timely manner.”

      What would cost her the election is if an American soldier dies to an Iranian missile and Biden/Harris doesn’t immediately go hard on Iran. Which makes this a ridiculously irresponsible move by Biden.

    • IninewCrow
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      174 hours ago

      The insanity is not that it is Republicans or Democrats

      The insane part is that America is just sleep walking straight into a war that will probably escalate into something much bigger and no one wants to do anything about it.

      God help us all

      • @Zexks
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        22 hours ago

        Make me homelander and I’d shut this shit down in a heartbeat. Until such time best I got is a pencil check in a box on paper.

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
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        “You give me money, I give you weapons of war. You give me money, I ignore the screams of children.”

        • @PunnyName
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          196 hours ago

          [the sound of children screaming has been removed]

      • @riodoro1
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        21 hour ago

        She most likely was in the room when Biden authorized the troops you know. She is very much on the same page as Biden on this.

        Sucks you guys don’t have any other option.

        • @Maggoty
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          121 minutes ago

          You have no way of knowing that.

          • @riodoro1
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            114 minutes ago

            She did say she supports Bidens stance on Israel and that israel has the right to murder innocent children protect itself.

      • Andy
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        446 hours ago

        This is a weird thing to say, but I actually don’t think that there’s any indication that Harris or Trump would do anything substantially different with regard to Israel, but the biggest change is that if Trump wins, I suspect that coverage of this will disappear behind all the coverage of his domestic chaos. At least if Harris is president I think there is a chance we see the press maintain a modicrum of interest in covering this.

        Either way, words can’t describe my anger that Harris appears to be prepared to throw the election over her support for genocide. It is an unreal situation to watch.

        • @Zexks
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          32 hours ago

          It’ll disappear by him shutting down all news organizations and outlawing any dissenting opinions. He’s straight up said it. There is no functional difference on this issues between them. It’s the ancillary consequences trump will impose on everyone that is why he should be fired into the sun as an example.

          • @[email protected]
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            -15 hours ago

            So the one says it out loud, the other just keeps the intention quiet.

            Both are equally sending weapons.

            However with Trump we saw that he pulled American soldiers out of the region and he is much more unstable. So when American soldiers die, he could just decide to fold the whole thing again.

            • @halcyoncmdr
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              135 hours ago

              So when American soldiers die, he could just decide to fold the whole thing again.

              That would require him to give a shit about the soldiers dying to make a change. His history says the exact opposite of that. Soldiers dying would do absolutely nothing towards whether he changes anything.

              • @[email protected]
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                15 hours ago

                Trump pulled most troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure he doesnt care about the soldiers life, but he isnt committed to being a war hawk. He just does random stuff.

                • @halcyoncmdr
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                  135 hours ago

                  The troop withdrawal was already being worked before Trump even started campaigning. He just decided to speed it up dramatically so he could say he achieved something, and promised a deadline that was unattainable while doing it well. It’s not random, it’s narcissism at the expense of everything else, including the country.

      • Cyborganism
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        105 hours ago

        Trump would tell Netanyahu to nuke the place and he’d fucking do it. It would be a catastrophe the likes of which we haven’t seen since WWII.

    • @brucethemoose
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      76 hours ago

      It feels like they are totally beholden to Israel.

      If they push back hard, they alienate swing voters who like Israel from the old days, aka apocalypse.

      • Andy
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        286 hours ago

        This is actually a persistent myth: there is no evidence that they are beholden to a constituency that would punish them for any actions that curtail Israel.

        Israel’s actions are wildly unpopular across the electorate. They are unpopular with nearly all Democrats as well as most independents and a very large plurally of Republicans. I have seen numerous polls that show that there is a very significant number of voters that Harris is losing over this, and I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate that there is any measurable cost to her speaking out against Israel at all. Which is really sad. Because it means that this is absolutely a moral choice on her part. This is not an electoral choice at all.

        https://truthout.org/articles/poll-endorsing-israel-arms-embargo-would-boost-harriss-support-to-49-percent/

      • John Richard
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        A majority of Americans are against the action in Gaza. It is a popular opinion not to support it, unless you’re a major donor.

        • @meco03211
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          56 hours ago

          So in the last few weeks, Biden can pull support as much as possible basically giving Bibi the finger. Any funding that dries up is unlikely to have more of an effect than pulling support. This helps Harris win. Then she can re-woo them over the next 4 years.

        • @[email protected]
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          A majority of those who actually turn out to vote are pro Israel (and no, people under 35 don’t vote in other countries where they have more options, so cut the “they don’t vote because of the support for Israel” bullshit, they don’t vote because they’re young and don’t care)

          • John Richard
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            95 hours ago

            Okay, well the Harris campaign can continue claiming that the reason she’s down in the polls in Michigan has nothing to do with Gaza.

    • @Doorbook
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      24 hours ago

      if they money you get from AIPAC is more than the money you get as US presidency and without the headache of being president, I wounder if Kamala care enough to be a president.

    • Avid Amoeba
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      15 hours ago

      Perhaps if he does that, then Joe and Harris will be forced to materially change their tune and take some real action in an attempt to save the elction.