Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

  • @[email protected]
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    61 month ago

    Because Trump is so likely to be a better choice for solving the Israel-Gaza crisis, lol.

    • @[email protected]
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      131 month ago

      When you can’t even call it a genocide of Gazans by Israel you should rethink whether you should even comment.

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      121 month ago

      Nobody said that, neither choice is going to solve it so it’s better to abandon both if genocide is a red line for you.

          • Guy Dudeman
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            61 month ago

            What’s the plan, my friend? How do you plan to fight against knife-missiles?

            • @simplymath
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              030 days ago

              There are currently armed militias targeting bureaucrats for violence due to Republican misinformation. How many more escalations really remain before a full-blown civil war?

              I’m not advocating for revolution, but it certainly seems more likely than the Democrats dropping their unwavering support for Israel.

              • Guy Dudeman
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                030 days ago

                There have always been armed militias targeting the federal government. You know who those armed militias support for President? You know which candidate would welcome those armed militias?

                • @simplymath
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                  30 days ago

                  I don’t disagree, homey. Seems like the militias are going to be a growing problem regardless of the election. What we disagree on here is the solution.

                  For me, the solution is for the Dems to call the genocide what it is and force a ceasefire.

                  I’m not judging people for pulling the only lever the US system gives them. I don’t advocate for voting for Trump and don’t recommend anyone does, but I do understand how some people might choose to vote against the people who are currently bombing them with the hope that the only other option won’t.

                  • Guy Dudeman
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                    -130 days ago

                    I’m not judging people for pulling the only lever the US system gives them.

                    You seem to be rare, on the online left.

    • @simplymath
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      91 month ago

      Who the fuck said anything about Trump? Not sure why you think people dying from American bombs give a fuck about who sent them.

      Can you crawl out of your narrow worldview for just a second and recognize that real people are experiencing a real genocide?

      That’s not some Russian propaganda spin either, but recognized by the ICJ.

      • @[email protected]
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        31 month ago

        I agree there’s a horrific genocide taking place, aided by the USA, and all Americans should be ashamed of this. But to be fair, the headline indicates these voters will vote against Harris. Either that’s a vote for Trump or a vote for a third party. Either way it increases trump’s likelihood of being elected.

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          1 month ago

          Ok? There’s a simple solution here for the democrats.

          Let’s not engage in victim blaming here and recognize who has power to end this and who is exercising their right to express their profound and utter disappointment in a political system that is, at best, ambivalent to their suffering.

        • @[email protected]
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          41 month ago

          Democrats chose this hill to die on, not the voters.

          You know what it’s called when voters aren’t allowed to vote for the candidate they desire?

            • @[email protected]
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              830 days ago

              Ah yes, my decision to continue funding paramilitaries in the West Bank.

              That I definitely made.

        • @simplymath
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          29 days ago

          calling it the “Israel-Gaza crisis” implies equivalence. As somebody else notes, not using the word genocide is also a strong signal that you don’t believe it’s a genocide. Finally, you used “lol” when talking about a genocide. In short, all evidence in your message suggests that you do not take it seriously.

          If the point of your comment isn’t to minimize suffering and mock people for their political choice, then what is the point of your comment?

          • @[email protected]
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            124 days ago

            So the two realistic options are Trump and Harris. You do realize Netanyahu wants Trump to win, correct? You do realize Trump isn’t going to do a damn thing except attempt to install himself as God Emperor of the US if he’s elected while utterly ignoring all outside politics, yes? So by not voting for Kamala, that’s what you’re signalling you’re ok with.

            Harris has at least signaled she is willing to consider forcing Isreal to some sort of negotiation table. Although neither side is going to say anything particularly inflammatory ahead of the election because… AIPAC, who has literally thrown millions at any candidate that has spoken out against them pre-election.

            • @simplymath
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              124 days ago

              Homey, she’s vice president today. If she gave a fuck, we wouldn’t be where we are.