It’s not artificial. The hormones aren’t native to the person, but it’s not changing their body by replacing components with mechanical things. Your body has different amounts of testosterone and estrogen as is. It’s just changing those amounts artificially, but the changing the body makes following that are natural biological processes.
In your analogy though, how would giving you the function go a credit card not make you a credit card? If the effect is identical, then how are you not that thing? Sure, you’d also be other things, but that doesn’t exclude being another. If you have the outcome of being able to purchase things using your credit account, you are in effect a credit card. If you have the outcome of male attributes, you are in effect a male.
Again, you’re arguing for some strict binary “biological” definition of sex. The primary sex characteristics, that you seem so fond of, can be removed. If this is your requirement, what happens when these are removed? You dodged this and are implying an unchanging definition now, so primary sex characteristics are not the requirement? If not, what is and what effect does HRT play on it now?
And therefore are artificial. Take them away and what happens? Secondary sex characteristics return to their baseline…. Mostly.
I provided you with my definition of biological sex. If you are so interested in continuing this discussion the least you could do is provide your definition as I requested.
how would giving you the function go a credit card not make you a credit card?
I would still be a human, because changing one part does not change the whole.
If you have the outcome of male attributes, you are in effect a male.
A poor argument given that FTM cannot get real testes, again being artificially mimicked at best.
The primary sex characteristics, that you seem so fond of, can be removed.
But not functionally replicated by artificial means. Also I haven’t based my definition of sex, or argument against sex change being possible, on primary sex characteristics.
You do seem fond of this ‘counter argument’ though. Shame its not counter to anything I have said.
I have only stated that changing secondary sex characteristics is not sufficient to change a persons sex.
Biological sex, as determined by a number of factors during development, is unchanging. Gender however can be changed.
It’s not artificial. The hormones aren’t native to the person, but it’s not changing their body by replacing components with mechanical things. Your body has different amounts of testosterone and estrogen as is. It’s just changing those amounts artificially, but the changing the body makes following that are natural biological processes.
In your analogy though, how would giving you the function go a credit card not make you a credit card? If the effect is identical, then how are you not that thing? Sure, you’d also be other things, but that doesn’t exclude being another. If you have the outcome of being able to purchase things using your credit account, you are in effect a credit card. If you have the outcome of male attributes, you are in effect a male.
Again, you’re arguing for some strict binary “biological” definition of sex. The primary sex characteristics, that you seem so fond of, can be removed. If this is your requirement, what happens when these are removed? You dodged this and are implying an unchanging definition now, so primary sex characteristics are not the requirement? If not, what is and what effect does HRT play on it now?
And therefore are artificial. Take them away and what happens? Secondary sex characteristics return to their baseline…. Mostly.
I provided you with my definition of biological sex. If you are so interested in continuing this discussion the least you could do is provide your definition as I requested.
I would still be a human, because changing one part does not change the whole.
A poor argument given that FTM cannot get real testes, again being artificially mimicked at best.
But not functionally replicated by artificial means. Also I haven’t based my definition of sex, or argument against sex change being possible, on primary sex characteristics.
You do seem fond of this ‘counter argument’ though. Shame its not counter to anything I have said.
I have only stated that changing secondary sex characteristics is not sufficient to change a persons sex.
Biological sex, as determined by a number of factors during development, is unchanging. Gender however can be changed.
Im surprised I have to repeat that at this point.