Spanish MP Ione Bellare spoke up in Parliament against the genocide in Gaza, asking, ‘What is the difference between what Israel is doing and the Nazi gas chambers?’
The leader of the left-wing party Podemos highlighted Israel’s latest attack on al-Aqsa hospital’s courtyard, where videos showed people burning alive, and the Spanish government’s complicity in doing weapons deals with Israel.
The difference is the Nazis were… Disgustingly, sociopathically orderly about it all.
But on a toll of human suffering yeah, yep. Genocide’s a genocide.
There’s also the matter of scale. Genocide may be genocide, but 11,000,000 > 40,000. Still, 40,000 deaths (that we know of) in Gaza is disgusting and we shouldn’t tolerate letting that number grow.
Wasn’t 40,000 an underestimated amount from like 1+ month ago? Also it was about a very short timeframe, not the whole genocide Palestinians have been subjected to for decades
I want to make clear here that my response is 100% neutral
Genuinely curious about percentage of total population for these numbers here. I mean, it’s also a weird and tough thing too compare, it’s not as though those targeted in Germany in World war II had borders of their own. I’m still curious, though.
What is the 40,000 in terms of percentage? I think that is an important bit of context that raw numbers don’t tell (I don’t know enough about the situation to know which population centre to be looking at population data for)
11,000,000 / 40,000 = 275
The 4 years of the Holocaust were 275x more deadly than what Israel has done to Palestinians in the past year. The Genocide in Gaza is 0.36% of a Holocaust.
If you count only the Jews killed in the Holocaust, it’s 6,000,000 / 40,000 = 150, or 0.67%.
I don’t think “genocide is genocide” is a good philosophy. Comparing two tragedies where one tragedy had literally hundreds of times more death than the other requires one to acknowledge that one event was worse than the other, even if both events are intolerably evil.
Okay so over 1 year on average, 68.5x or 37.5x more deadly.
Now what is the population size and proportion difference?
If it’s in the 37-68x range that’s a relative match.
Edit: my numbers are coming out to WWII was ~1.20x deadlier when we account for total population deltas.
(About 63% Jewish population displacement year over year in WWII vs ~53% Palestinian displacement in the last year)
I may have made errors, but I think this is fairly accurate.
There were like 2.3 million people living in Gaza and at best guess 42k have been killed. That’s a best guess and most estimates say at least.
Initially, Germany had around 500k Jewish people. Around 300k of those people were able to flee, although many not far enough. Of the remaining 200k, about 25% were killed in concentration camps or through some other horror.
As the Nazis gathered more territory, they began the systematic, machine-like murder of European Jews. As a direct example, Poland had over 3 million Jewish people, 90% of them were killed in the Holocaust in concentration camps.
I don’t think we really need to compare genocides to say this is a genocide, especially not to the Holocaust.