• @givesomefucks
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    -917 hours ago

    But sometimes I do need face to face communication with team members I’m concerned about, or with customers.

    Yes…

    You need that, because that’s what you grew up with.

    I’m sure you don’t know how to send a carrier pigeon, but at one point that was very important in business and government.

    It’s not Gen Z’s fault that a lot of boomers are unable to retire due to the policies their generation voted for or their own personal irresponsible savings and retirement planning.

    The youngest boomers are 60, so any “older boomer” is going to be well past retirement age.

    Stop trying to insist every future generation has to compromise with your archaic needs.

    You are the one out of place, they are the ones that are literally the future.

    • @madnificent
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      215 hours ago

      I grew up online and there are people I’ve never met in person whom I can work with no problem. I have never had the need to see someone in person for work myself, but the click isn’t there for everyone.

      I dislike generational thinking and this argument seems to play on those lines; I have seen some people working better remote and some working better partially in person regardless of their generation or background. Younger people are more fluent in working remotely but not everyone wants that full-time and sometimes it doesn’t work out too well either. Often working in the office is the worst so let’s make/keep remote the default.

      My personal opinion is that we should do everything online which can be online and that people who need to work in person should do their best to cater for working online. It helps with climate and can help work/life balance.

      Any form of communication gap is a shared gap. Both sides have to cater to make the conversation work. If OP needs face-to-face then that must be taken into account. If you want that conversation to happen you’d better care for their needs as much as they’ll care for yours. OP may have extensive experience in working with people and may have seen this need on their own end and likely on the other end too. Perhaps even only on the other end. On the spectrum of cooperation I’m sure there will be cases where it helps and perhaps even be necessary. I believe it’s a small subset of situations.

      By all means, try to stay constructive and learn from others. Whatever they have learned in the past likely applies to our new ways in another form. I would like it if we could keep improving remote.

      • @givesomefucks
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        -415 hours ago

        Mate, let me save you some trouble:

        When the vast majority talk of a generation or any type of group, they’re talking about the majority and not every single one of them.

        • @madnificent
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          614 hours ago

          Mate, I’m not sure you’re making a convincing argument for remote cooperation here. When OP said sometimes, that is clearly the majority of cases in your book but I do read that differently.

          Be kind and think of the other people in the conversation. If you want remote to work then act in a way that shows it does work.

          Either case, best of luck in pushing for remote work! Cheers

          • @Ledivin
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            29 hours ago

            Turns out being purely remote has affected his social skills online, too 😂