A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump. Palestinian lives don’t matter to Trump, nor do they really matter to Harris; however in general, Harris will be better for Americans than Trump, so vote for Harris.

A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump.

Just as a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.

Imagine if Nader didn’t run. Imagine there was no Green Party candidate for US President.

Gore would have probably won, and America would have been the better for it. Probably no Iraq war, maybe not even a 911. As a result Iran probably wouldn’t be as strong, and Putin probably would have less to legitimately oppose about the US, and would himself be seen as less legitimate—indeed Ukraine might still be whole today.

A new Green deal would probably be in full swing.

Granted, Harris doesn’t really care about Palestinians, and some elements of the Democratic party care even less; but Trump cares even less than Harris, and what he will do to the US will be worse.

So while Israel massacres civilians and steals more land, at least under Harris American women would still more easily get abortions, we will have fewer TGs committing suicide (maybe), and health care will be a little more universal.

Also with the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, the Big 3 will be able to better produce good inexpensive cars (as they’ve been at least somewhat intending these past several decades), and fascism will have less of a hold on the US.

Therefore: vote for Harris.

If you are a progressive: vote for Harris.

If you are an environmentalist: vote for Harris.

If you are a libertarian: vote for Harris.

If you support voting reforms such as proportional representation, rank balloting, the abolition of the Electoral College, and/or more political diversity: vote for Harris.

If you are nauseated at the idea of voting for Harris: take a barf bag with you while you vote for Harris.

If you are a Palestinian-American who has a relative who was injured, maimed, or even murdered, in Gaza, you should still vote for Harris, because again, Trump doesn’t care about them either, but at least you, as an American citizen, will get a better deal Harris than under Trump.

(I’m not entirely sure if I agree with all the above, but I find it hard to refute.)

  • @rockSlayer
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    It’s like you totally missed the point. Vote shaming DOES NOT WORK. No matter how much you try, no matter how you approach it, you will never, ever, be successful with vote shaming. Tell people to vote. That’s it. Don’t try to tell people why their choice is dumb, because it will either entrench the position or dissuade someone from voting at all, which hurts down-ballot Democratic candidates.

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      To be fair he’s probably made this post in direct reaction to the rather obnoxious “Both sides are the same” folks that also happen to parrot “If you vote for Harris, you support Genocide”. I was on Reddit for over a decade and even I’m sick of seeing those replies.

      Not saying it’s an excuse, only that it’s a possible reason.

      • @DMCMNFIBFFFOP
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        but Harris does support genocide, but the lives of >330 million Americans are more important than a few million Palestinians.

        Again with Trump, both Americans and Palestinians will be worse off;

        but with Harris, it’s only the Palestinians who will suffer.

        It’s the greater good, or more aptly, the lesser evil.

    • @[email protected]
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      If their position is not shifted by sharing the realities of a 2 party, first past the post election happening in 2 weeks then no information will have any impact, regardless of medium, tone, or speaker. This topic has been discussed in every possible way across the internet over the last year. Some more friendly, some more stark.

      • @rockSlayer
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        And that’s the point. If the democratic party loses legitimately in this election, it’s the democratic party’s fault. Not the handful of 3rd party voters. In 2016, we saw that 3rd party voters would not have voted if their choice wasn’t on the ballot. You can get pissy about 3rd parties and strategy, but vote shaming will always be ineffective.

        • @[email protected]
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          1. You can’t know a non action. There’s an example of third party votes impacting results in my other comment on this thread.
          2. No need to start with name calling or whatever, I made my point and shared my opinion without name calling. It’s reasonable to expect the same.

          Edit My conclusion is that there has been much quality discussion over the past year, educating isn’t shaming.