• @_bcron_
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    • @shalafi
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      -32 months ago

      Can you make an argument that it’s illegal? Chapter and verse, what’s the law being violated?

      He holding a lottery for petition signers. A first-year law student could fight this.

      I’d seriously like to hear from you guys as to the violation here. May be some angle I don’t know about.

      • @Furbag
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        52 months ago

        Okay, I’ll make an argument. Here’s the law in question per another Lemmy user down below, seen it in several threads already:

        52 U.S.C. 10307©: “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…”

        Bold emphasis mine.

        Now, if this were just a lottery set up by Elon Musk for people who sign a petition, that’d be one thing, but this petition has prerequisites aside from just signing your name on the petition. First of all, it’s only for people who live in Pennsylvania. Second, you are only eligible to enter if you yourself register to vote or refer someone else in a battleground state to register to vote via a link as their sponsor.

        The statute above specifically states that both offers to pay or accepted payments in exchange for registering to vote is prohibited. So not only might Elon Musk be in trouble for offering the financial incentive, so too is anyone who accepted the reward money as a result of their participation. Musk is trying to get around this by making it a random draw, but the fact that they are only eligible when they meet the specific requirement of someone somewhere registering to vote, that should be cause for concern. It’s not a totally clear cut violation of the law, but it’s quite clearly against the spirit of the law which wants to discourage people from using financial incentives like the one Musk is offering to compel people to vote or register to vote.

        • @ReginaPhalange
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          62 months ago

          shall be fined not more than $10,000

          Ahh… the cost of doing business.

          • vortic
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            62 months ago

            … or imprisoned not more than 5 years …

            That said, your point isn’t wrong. $10,000 is nothing in this context. Criminal fines should be in direct proportion to a person’s income. Also, statutes, when they mention monetary value, should peg that value to invlation, income, or some other metric that scales with time. We have SOOOOO many laws on the books that use ridiculous numbers by modern standards but were reasonable at the time they were enacted.

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              42 months ago

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          • @Furbag
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            22 months ago

            I know, I rolled my eyes at that part too.

            I hope the judge presiding would realize that fining the richest man in the world $10,000 would be like fining me one cent for a parking ticket and expecting me to have learned my lesson. Jail time should absolutely be on the table all things considered.