I’m not sure if you’re really willing to open your mind on this, but the first large wave of immigrants were escapees from pogroms in Russia and they didn’t ‘steal’ any land from anyone
ah yes, the classic ‘it was their land originally’ argument. they had to fight a civil war with the local government and won due to support from western powers.
The British government had publicly committed itself to the creation of a Jewish homeland in the 1917 Balfour declaration. Palestinian Arabs opposed this design, asserting their rights over the former Ottoman territories and seeking to prevent Jewish immigration. As a result, Arab–Jewish tensions grew in the succeeding decades of British administration. In late 1947, the United Nations voted for the partition of Mandate Palestine and the creation of a Jewish and an Arab state on its territory; the Jews accepted the plan, while the Arabs rejected it. A civil war ensued, won by the Jews.
After pushing out the Ottomans, Palestine came under martial law. The British, French and Arab Occupied Enemy Territory Administration governed the area shortly before the armistice with the Ottomans until the promulgation of the mandate in 1920.
that not nearly the same thing. as ‘peaceful immigration’ as you try to imply. I don’t particularly care one way or the other, religious fanatics are gonna fanatic. do you have a particular point you were trying to make?
I never said the jewish immigrants from Russia claimed the land was ‘theirs originally’. It’s a bit weird you make this jump. They were trying to find a place they wouldn’t be genocided
And what makes you conclude that violent opposition from muslim fanatics prohibits the immigrants from being peaceful?
And what makes you conclude that violent opposition from Muslim fanatics prohibits the immigrants from being peaceful?
Who invited them to Palestinian? did they have a statue saying ‘bring us your tired, your weak, your sick?’ why call them violent muslin fanatics and not just Muslim fanatics?
We both know why jerusalum was chosen. because they considered it their holy land. we also both know that immigration is rarely accepted by local populations. just look at our own country (assuming you live in the US).
If you think I care about the palestinians any more than the jews in israel you’re incorrect. I care that American weapons and funds are committing a genocide, and act clearly prohibited by our laws. I care very deeply that both sides stop killing each other. Did you know that the biden admin, and the saudis were close to having an agreement to create a palestinian state and normalize relations with israel and the suadis on oct 6 just prior to the attacks? I wonder why hamas attacked, I wonder why bibi is going on a rampage. both parties that benefit from tense relations.
Can you imagine what might have happened in bibi just took the hit and tried to work it out peacefully? can you imagine if biden put his foot down just once early on and forced them to?
I don’t give a shit who threw the first punch generations ago. what matters is the actions that are being taken today. I fear now we’re another 4 generations away from peace.
Can you imagine what might have happened in bibi just took the hit and tried to work it out peacefully?
I think they would just be emboldened to do it again, like they said they would. Sentiment in Gaza has only recently shifted to the idea that “maybe, it wasn’t such a good plan”. I’m afraid that in the long run, Bibi’s reaction might turn out to be the best one for peace
I’m not sure if you’re really willing to open your mind on this, but the first large wave of immigrants were escapees from pogroms in Russia and they didn’t ‘steal’ any land from anyone
ah yes, the classic ‘it was their land originally’ argument. they had to fight a civil war with the local government and won due to support from western powers.
that not nearly the same thing. as ‘peaceful immigration’ as you try to imply. I don’t particularly care one way or the other, religious fanatics are gonna fanatic. do you have a particular point you were trying to make?
I never said the jewish immigrants from Russia claimed the land was ‘theirs originally’. It’s a bit weird you make this jump. They were trying to find a place they wouldn’t be genocided
And what makes you conclude that violent opposition from muslim fanatics prohibits the immigrants from being peaceful?
its a common refrain. I don’t particularly care.
Who invited them to Palestinian? did they have a statue saying ‘bring us your tired, your weak, your sick?’ why call them violent muslin fanatics and not just Muslim fanatics?
We both know why jerusalum was chosen. because they considered it their holy land. we also both know that immigration is rarely accepted by local populations. just look at our own country (assuming you live in the US).
If you think I care about the palestinians any more than the jews in israel you’re incorrect. I care that American weapons and funds are committing a genocide, and act clearly prohibited by our laws. I care very deeply that both sides stop killing each other. Did you know that the biden admin, and the saudis were close to having an agreement to create a palestinian state and normalize relations with israel and the suadis on oct 6 just prior to the attacks? I wonder why hamas attacked, I wonder why bibi is going on a rampage. both parties that benefit from tense relations.
Can you imagine what might have happened in bibi just took the hit and tried to work it out peacefully? can you imagine if biden put his foot down just once early on and forced them to?
I don’t give a shit who threw the first punch generations ago. what matters is the actions that are being taken today. I fear now we’re another 4 generations away from peace.
I think they would just be emboldened to do it again, like they said they would. Sentiment in Gaza has only recently shifted to the idea that “maybe, it wasn’t such a good plan”. I’m afraid that in the long run, Bibi’s reaction might turn out to be the best one for peace