That is a false equivalency and patently not valid. There were deferments, medical or educational. It was Federal, most posts were not direct combat with an 031* MOS. Many men went to Canada, or AWOL or were conscientious objectors. Also at the end of it all a large part of society considered them having completed their sevice and honored them as heroes and veterans if they finished their tour/rotation.
I’m not going to get into how terrible the VA is, or how useless the GI bill was during 'nam. But no, the draft does not equate to the looooooooong history of legislation that was levied on women, everything from there not being marital rape to being required to carry a rapist’s insemination to term. Fuck that whole trail of logic there.
Yes men can be sexually assaulted and yes the draft sucked, but it does not equate to female bodied or female presenting people’s plight under the patriarchy.
Just to update others on just how wrong you are there is a link below.
Why is a false equivalency? It is a law that controls men’s bodies. My uncle and father were forced to go to war against their wills. They survived but they both knew many people who didn’t. My uncle ended up dying from problems caused by his exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam.
Many men went to Canada
Would you accept the excuse for banning abortion that women could just go to Canada to get one? Of course not. Fuck that.
Way to cherry pick one thing from the long list of exceptions op listed.
You’re simply wrong here.
Requiring military service is not the same thing as removing your right to bodily autonomy. Also stop pretending everyone drafted or registering for selective service goes into combat…
Imagine thinking driving a jeep is the same as carrying a rapists baby.
Ask the graveyards full of conscripts killed in wars if what happened to them is worse than carrying an unwanted baby. Oh wait, you can’t. Because they are dead.
Were you drafted? If so what was your MOS? Where did you serve? This men’s rights whataboutism would’ve gotten you laughed out of my Corps.
Stolen valor by Munchausen proxy is what this shit is. JFC
My grandfather got his citizenship from serving in Korea and went back to 'nam.
Joined up with his drafted son for a full fucking tour.
Saw a lot of bullshit. Hated the fuckin draft because it was leveraged by the wealthy and the Military Industrial Complex to feed a war machine in a needless and unpopular war.
He’d have frog marched you out of the bar he heard this rape equivalency bullshit in and if you wouldn’t stop he’d have probably laid you out on the deck like a rug.
I fucking hope you take this rhetoric to a veterans group and see how seriously they take you.
Hell no I wasn’t in the military. My dad made it very clear that there was no honor in service anymore and I would just be a tool exploited by the military industrial complex. My uncle burned his purple heart in front of the Capitol and he was right to do it. All this anecdotal shit is irrelevant to the point. You’re attacking me because you can’t attack the point.
My point stands. I made that clear with all of the refutations of your argument in my original post. You cherry picked one instance and responded with dead soldier rhetoric.
You’re speaking on two topics you do not have expertise on, and keep doubling down. I don’t know if it’s hurt ego or if you genuinely believe the false equivalency of “there once was a draft” and a woman’s right to body autonomy.
Take the L and move on. Or keep arguing. I got all day.
That is a false equivalency and patently not valid. There were deferments, medical or educational. It was Federal, most posts were not direct combat with an 031* MOS. Many men went to Canada, or AWOL or were conscientious objectors. Also at the end of it all a large part of society considered them having completed their sevice and honored them as heroes and veterans if they finished their tour/rotation.
I’m not going to get into how terrible the VA is, or how useless the GI bill was during 'nam. But no, the draft does not equate to the looooooooong history of legislation that was levied on women, everything from there not being marital rape to being required to carry a rapist’s insemination to term. Fuck that whole trail of logic there.
Yes men can be sexually assaulted and yes the draft sucked, but it does not equate to female bodied or female presenting people’s plight under the patriarchy.
Just to update others on just how wrong you are there is a link below.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13155816
Why is a false equivalency? It is a law that controls men’s bodies. My uncle and father were forced to go to war against their wills. They survived but they both knew many people who didn’t. My uncle ended up dying from problems caused by his exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam.
Would you accept the excuse for banning abortion that women could just go to Canada to get one? Of course not. Fuck that.
Way to cherry pick one thing from the long list of exceptions op listed. You’re simply wrong here.
Requiring military service is not the same thing as removing your right to bodily autonomy. Also stop pretending everyone drafted or registering for selective service goes into combat…
Imagine thinking driving a jeep is the same as carrying a rapists baby.
Ask the graveyards full of conscripts killed in wars if what happened to them is worse than carrying an unwanted baby. Oh wait, you can’t. Because they are dead.
It’s pretty obvious you never served. Go to the VFW and spout this bullshit and see how far it gets you.
It’s pretty obvious you weren’t drafted. You don’t understand that the choice you had was taken away from others.
Were you drafted? If so what was your MOS? Where did you serve? This men’s rights whataboutism would’ve gotten you laughed out of my Corps.
Stolen valor by Munchausen proxy is what this shit is. JFC
My grandfather got his citizenship from serving in Korea and went back to 'nam. Joined up with his drafted son for a full fucking tour.
Saw a lot of bullshit. Hated the fuckin draft because it was leveraged by the wealthy and the Military Industrial Complex to feed a war machine in a needless and unpopular war.
He’d have frog marched you out of the bar he heard this rape equivalency bullshit in and if you wouldn’t stop he’d have probably laid you out on the deck like a rug.
I fucking hope you take this rhetoric to a veterans group and see how seriously they take you.
Hell no I wasn’t in the military. My dad made it very clear that there was no honor in service anymore and I would just be a tool exploited by the military industrial complex. My uncle burned his purple heart in front of the Capitol and he was right to do it. All this anecdotal shit is irrelevant to the point. You’re attacking me because you can’t attack the point.
My point stands. I made that clear with all of the refutations of your argument in my original post. You cherry picked one instance and responded with dead soldier rhetoric.
You’re speaking on two topics you do not have expertise on, and keep doubling down. I don’t know if it’s hurt ego or if you genuinely believe the false equivalency of “there once was a draft” and a woman’s right to body autonomy.
Take the L and move on. Or keep arguing. I got all day.