• @small44
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    189 hours ago

    Getting the hell out of all 67 occupied land

      • @Maggoty
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        136 hours ago

        They said leave all 1967 occupied areas.

        You responded with the entire population of Israel.

        • @the_toast_is_gone
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          -116 hours ago

          And I later asked how this will appease all these other actors that just want to wipe Israel off the map. How will that happen?

          • @Maggoty
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            64 hours ago

            You mean you assumed facts not in evidence.

            • @the_toast_is_gone
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              -74 hours ago

              Does that make Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas any more likely to establish lasting peace with Israel if they surrender a tiny sliver of land?

              • @Maggoty
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                63 hours ago

                If Israel de-occupies Palestinian and Lebanese land, stops blockading Gaza, stops blowing up chunks of it’s neighbors, then it removes any moral grounds for them to continue fighting Israel. Instead we’re to believe Israel is the defender when they’ve occupied their neighbors for 50+ years.

                  • @Maggoty
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                    All of them. If you want to compare killing civilians there’s a graphic around here showing that Israel has killed far more, every year. Of course I wish they’d target active military and civilians involved specifically in Israel’s MIC. But if Israel’s strikes on hospitals are justified then so are the ones you’re worried about. You can’t have it both ways.

      • @[email protected]
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        96 hours ago

        They don’t have to go anywhere. They just don’t get a religious ethnostate any more. Let Palestine be a free democracy and they are welcome to live in a free society, no apartheid.

        • @the_toast_is_gone
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          -116 hours ago

          Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas want to kill them all, though.

      • @orrk
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        57 hours ago

        to be fair, it’s much easier if you just annex and slaughter the fucking browns who are there

        • @the_toast_is_gone
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          -107 hours ago

          Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations, and Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. Do you want to go to bat for them?

          • @orrk
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            86 hours ago

            Otzma Jehudit is part of the Israeli Government coalition, it consists mainly of internationally wanted terrorists. and you want to bat for these terrorists? the ones who have been preaching the 14 words as a justification for genocide?

            • @the_toast_is_gone
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              -96 hours ago

              Assuming that’s true, that’s one group within the government. Find them, try them, and imprison them. On the other side are three entire genocidal terrorist regimes. Will you side with them? What do you think we should do with them?

              • @orrk
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                105 hours ago

                we don’t need to fucking find them, they are open, they give speeches about how starving and killing every Palestinian is a moral good on a daily basis. they ARE the government, who’s going to put them in front of a judge and find them guilty, themselves? you are literally supporting a genocidal terrorist regime.

                • @the_toast_is_gone
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                  -85 hours ago

                  And apparently the other three genocidal terrorist regimes are better than them?

          • @[email protected]
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            97 hours ago

            Calling the people you dislike “terrorists” to avoid critical thinking about the atrocities (including genocide) of your own side isn’t really the gotcha you think it is.

            • SaltySalamander
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              -55 hours ago

              Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, and Israel are currently acting as terrorist states/groups. That isn’t up for debate, because it’s objective reality.

              • @[email protected]
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                43 hours ago

                I’m not sure that there is credible evidence of Iran and its affiliates targeting civilians the same way that the occupation has, their acts all seem to be targeting military installations rather than civilian targets. The occupation primarily targets civilians and civilian infrastructure.

            • @the_toast_is_gone
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              -66 hours ago

              I’m not calling them that on my own. I’m describing them the way multiple other nations have described them - not Israel. You only need to see their actions towards their own population to see why.

      • @small44
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        108 hours ago

        Read again I said the land colonized after 67 so the israelis aren’t moving anywhere

        • @the_toast_is_gone
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          -178 hours ago

          Oh, you mean this? If they’re such filthy colonizers, how is that going to change the situation enough to stop the violence?

          • @small44
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            128 hours ago

            All the post 67 land are considered occupied why Palestinians should give up their land?

            • @the_toast_is_gone
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              -77 hours ago

              I thought the entirety of Israel was unlawfully and immorally seized from the Palestinians over the course of decades. At least, that’s what most pro-Palestine folks seem to think.

              • @small44
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                56 hours ago

                It is but most of us are not heartless people who would like to kick out 8 millions people

                • @the_toast_is_gone
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                  -96 hours ago

                  An actual, mutually peaceful solution would be better. Hamas has turned down or broken ceasefire after ceasefire. There is no reason to trust them at this point.

                  • NoneOfUrBusiness
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                    54 hours ago

                    Hamas has turned down or broken ceasefire after ceasefire.

                    Stop consuming Israeli propaganda. Seriously, at this point you’re just embarasing yourself. For further reading see the 2008 and the 2012 ceasefire deals, which Israel actively refused to abide by.

                  • @small44
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                    105 hours ago

                    Israel do not want peace and keep expanding illegal settlements to make it impossible to have a two state solution. Israel never stop killing Palestinians even before Hamas was ever created. As long as there is occupation you can’t expect the oppressed to not take vengeance

            • @the_toast_is_gone
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              -67 hours ago

              I thought the entirety of Israel was unlawfully and immorally seized from the Palestinians over the course of decades. At least, that’s what most pro-Palestine folks seem to think.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    Id rather they be tried and convicted like we did to the Nazis at the Nuremeberg trials, but I’ll settle for them leaving, sure. Why must the Palestinians accept their presence when their entire presence was on the mass displacement and genocide of their people? They’re not even sorry for any of it, they’re literally doubling down on it all and continuing it on a scale never seen before.

                    Why are you so shocked that militia groups were formed to counter an oppressive genocidal colony? Also, keep in mind Israel literally helped prop Hamas up to delegtimize the Palestinians in the eyes of the international community. It just came back to bite them in the ass.