• @trashgirlfriend
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    35 hours ago

    Nooo don’t break up the giant monolithic top down states into smaller federated communities, noooo!

    • @bassomitron
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      44 hours ago

      But there’ll still need to have common policies across all of those communities, otherwise you just end up right back at square one with nation states. The US and EU are literally just this, a bunch of states (US) or countries (EU) that agree to allow free travel/living/learning/business/etc between each other with a larger governing body that oversees all of it.

      • @trashgirlfriend
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        -13 hours ago

        That’s all good as long as this body doesn’t have final control over the other territories.

        The US/EU states/countries are also… states and countries, so that could change.

        • @Blue_Morpho
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          11 hour ago

          You think it’s ok for a local federated state to allow slavery?

          Because it took a centralized government to have final control over those states rights.

          • @trashgirlfriend
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            157 minutes ago

            And the big bad wolf went to the straw man and huffed and puffed and blew the poor straw man away.

        • @bassomitron
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          23 hours ago

          Originally, the federal government in the US was very, very limited in power and states had much higher degrees of autonomy than they do now. It resulted in tons of problems, even agreeing on a basic common currency was problematic.

          Now, I think that it’s swung too far in the other direction and that the federal government nowadays in the US has too much power. I think it’s possible to meet in the middle, where you have a semi-central body where federated communities have a common ground to address and resolve grievances with an outside, neutral party mediating things.

          Anyway, just my two cents.

          • @trashgirlfriend
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            23 hours ago

            The problem with the “middle ground” approach is that eventually it’s bound to start acquiring more power.

            This is just the nature of top down government structures and is pretty much inevitable.

            • @bassomitron
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              12 hours ago

              True, that is a valid point. Maybe with direct democracy, hard safeguards, and very limited terms and funding, it could potentially be limited from expanding power. But, I’m not an expert, so I’ll leave hypothetical future social governance planning to those who are more competent.

              • @trashgirlfriend
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                12 hours ago

                Understandable, I just enjoy thinking about these sort of things way too much, haha.