• @Grimy
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    Although I think Palestine should be an independant country, if it was not part of the apartheid state of israel, they would have full control over their own borders.

    It is not the same as a border check specifically since it’s part of the same country, hence why Israel is an apartheid state.

    You both are really close to understanding the problem here, you just have to dig a bit deeper.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement#:~:text=Israel enforces restrictions on the,usage of roads by Palestinians.

    Read this whole article, and actually read it for real, don’t skim it and pretend. It’s insane to compare it to any kind of international border because it simply isn’t.

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        Despite the Israeli disengagement, Gaza is still considered occupied by Israel under international law.[20][21] The current blockade prevents people and goods from freely entering or leaving the territory, leading to Gaza often being called an “open-air prison”.[22][23] The UN, as well as at least 19 human-rights organizations, have urged Israel to lift the blockade.[24] Israel has justified its blockade on the strip with wanting to stop flow of arms, but Palestinians and rights groups say it amounts to collective punishment and exacerbates dire living conditions. Prior to the Israel–Hamas war, Hamas had said that it did not want a military escalation in Gaza partially to prevent exacerbating the humanitarian crisis after the 2021 conflict.[25] A tightened blockade since the start of the Israel–Hamas war has contributed to an ongoing famine.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip#:~:text=The territory has been under Israeli occupation since 1967.&text=De facto administered by Hamas,IDF since 27 October 2023.

        Having administration privileges while being blockaded is different then being an actual independant country. They couldn’t even build ports or access to most of their waters for fishing.

        None of this is defendable. Take a hard look at the behavior you are making excuses for. Israel seriously sucks.

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            You are justifying an apartheid state, none of what you are saying is disproving the fact that Israel is one.

            The civilian population is no shield against a blockade.

            The civilian population shouldn’t have to deal with a blockade, indiscriminate bombing, apartheid or genocide.

            That’s the point. This isn’t taking care of business or self defense, it’s ethnic cleansing.

              • @Grimy
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                Despite the Israeli disengagement, Gaza is still considered occupied by Israel under international law.

                Open air prison, apartheid and genocide. Go shill for netanyahu somewhere else.

                  • Pup Biru
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                    hey, they never said it was one-sided. the comments above were merely refusing to acknowledge israel as an apartheid state… it can both be true that israel is an apartheid state committing genocide, AND that hamas launched indiscriminate rockets into israel and both those things can be indefensible

          • Hamas to power in 2007 and broke all past agreements with Israel and started to launch rockets into Israel. This lead to the blockade.

            Hamas seized power after a civil war, brought on by an attempted coup by the PA backed by the US and Israel. This attempted coup led to the Hamas attacks on Israel. They did not randomly break all agreements and started shooting rockets.

            Hamas was always deeply unhappy with the Israeli presence, but they hadn’t become really openly violent before that point.

            If you started to fire your gun on my home at random hours I would have locked your door from the outside and set your home on fire with, or without, your family inside. This is common sense.

            What the fuck is this insane statement. Call the police?