• @kava
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    21 hours ago

    we are discussing the material conditions that led up to the war. we have agreed together here that

    a) the ukrainian government had a radical change overnight due to a violent protest/revolution/coup

    b) the old government was pro-russian, the new government was anti-russian

    c) the new ukrainian government realized that Russia was about to invade because of this radical change and therefore they prepared for war by bending the knee to the US

    so let’s circle back to the statement that started this line of inquiry

    “the ukrainian war is in a way a war of independence”

    so instead of going off on tangents all over the place, can we circle back to that statement. now that we have agreed on a) b) and c), does the statement in bold seem true or false to you?

    let’s ignore who has fallen for whatever propaganda and try to agree on a base set of facts and draw some conclusions we can agree on. if you disagree with a) b) or c) please specifically state what part of that statement is false and we can each present evidence and reasoning.

    i fully intend to show to you i am speaking in good faith and i assume you are as well

    • @lurklurk
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      45 minutes ago

      I’m mostly curious if and why you think Russia had the right to invade.

      I don’t agree with your framing of a,b & c.

      A & B: Ukraine has had an election since 2014 so apparently there’s public support for a western friendly government.

      C: preparing to defend yourself from invasion doesn’t justify invading

      So why do you think Russia were right to invade?