Electing competent leaders always seemed like a much better plan
Agreed. If only there had been any to choose from. Instead you get a choice between “maintain the fire burning down your house and sometimes stoke it” and “throw gasoline on it” 😮💨
YOU get the fuck out of here with your “criticizing one side while making clear that the other is much worse is the same thing as saying that both sides are the same” bullshit.
Just because Republicans are much worse doesn’t mean that Democrats are exempt from criticism when they’re not doing their job of faithfully representing the interests of the people. ESPECIALLY when it leads to Republicans winning elections.
Your criticism of democrats is either dumb or/and disingenuous.
they’re not doing their job of faithfully representing the interests of the people.
Straight up misinformation. In addition to fixing the economy, Biden administration forgave $175 billions in student loans, lowered unemployment, passed PACT act, CHIPS act, infrastructure bill, expanded healthcare, appointed Lina Khan on FTC, someone who’s going as hard as she can against corporates. FTC banned non-compete clauses under her leadership.
There are multiple different reports about Biden administration’s work, if you care to look.
Of course the administration had to navigate through the real world challenges and they couldn’t manage to wave a wand and turn USA into utopia.
But to ignore the work they’ve done and say
“they maintain the fire burning down your house and sometimes stoke it”
is abso-fucking-lutely stupid.
You’re as misinformed as Fox News viewer.
And now we have example of Brandolini’s law, “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
Took you less than a minutes to be callously ignorant and it took me 15 minutes to refute it, not for you but for others who might click this thread.
I recognize both of y’all from around here and you both often have decent takes. Maybe take a step back and try to salvage things between each other, I know it’d be worth it. Peace.
Look at the ‘decent take’ he just posted. Nothing democrats did will ever be good enough for these twats because they want everything, right now. Incremental change? What the fuck is that?
I’m better off blocking this wanker for the sake of my mental health.
The DNC clearly needs progressives to win, and yet liberals refuse to do anything but antagonize and insult and condescend to leftists.
We tried “incremental change” with Hillary in 2016 and lost, Biden leaned more on progressive talking points and won (barely). The DNC saw that and said, “alright, so 2024, we’re gonna go hard right again.”
All the while, leftists and progressives, throughout the campaign, were vocally calling for policies that better reflected their needs and concerns. They weren’t asking for everything, but they wanted something to show them the DNC was willing to compromise with them.
Instead, people like you and the Harris campaign, doubled down on Republican-lite policies because “stop fascism,” condescended to and screamed at anyone who tried to criticize Harris and her policies during the, refused to meet us, the leftists they need to win the election, anywhere in the middle, but then extended a warm and welcoming arm to Cheney and her Republican ilk.
So why is it the Democrats are more willing to compromise with Republicans who won’t vote for them, but not compromise with their own constituents looking for a progressive option to vote for rather than only an option to vote against?
Not an American and too tired to deal with this fuckery. Keep riding that moral high horse while Trump takes a wrecking ball to the country. Same goes for those supposedly millions of leftist/progressives who’d rather risk a Trump presidency than have a dialog with Harris administration.
Your criticism of democrats is either dumb or/and disingenuous.
Nope. It’s accurate.
Straight up misinformation
Thanks for starting your paragraph with a section heading so I know what’s coming.
fixing the economy
The stock market and other indicators that the rich is doing well, you mean. The vast majority of regular people are doing worse today than before covid and Trump’s criminal mishandling of it demolished everything.
Biden administration forgave $175 billions in student loans
That’s an inflated number. The loan forgiveness has been a drop in the bucket compared to the full scope of the problem, means tested to hell and back, and with reams of paperwork required to even be considered. That’s not what the people wills.
lowered unemployment
According to cherrypicked numbers that only counts the newly unemployed and actively job-seeking.
The millions of people who have been unemployed for a long time and finally given up aren’t represented in the statistics you and your favorite demagogues are so proud of.
passed PACT act
CONGRESS passed that. After dozens of veterans camped outside the capital for days in protest of their inaction.
CHIPS act
Giant giveaway to exploitative corporations
infrastructure bill
Same, but with bragging about minimal climate change mitigation improvements while downplaying 10 million acres of new federal fossil fuel land leases.
expanded healthcare
Another case of the people wanting a mile, needing half a mile to barely get by without being forced to choose between death or lifelong debt, and getting an inch.
appointed Lina Khan on FTC
Admittedly a great thing done as a concession to the much more progressive people who suggested her. Same with Lauren McFerran at the NLRB. Doesn’t mean that Biden gets personal credit for their work.
There are multiple different reports about Biden administration’s work, if you care to look.
I have been. Seemingly unlike you, though, my sources have not been limited to those that are effectively pro-DNC propaganda outlets.
Of course the administration had to navigate through the real world challenges and they couldn’t manage to wave a wand and turn USA into utopia.
The eternal excuse of the incompetent and the corrupt. Nobody’s demanding perfection. You’re just far too easily impressed and/or blinded by tribalism.
But to ignore the work they’ve done
I’m not ignoring anything. Again, my standards are just higher than your abyssal ones.
You’re as misinformed as Fox News viewer.
Hey, I found this picture of you!
And now we have example of Brandolini’s law, “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
Again with the projection. Your gish gallop is demagogue propaganda, not proof of anything.
Took you less than a minutes to be callously ignorant
Nah, I was just concise in my accurate description of affairs. Not my fault that your apologia is as verbose as it’s misleading.
took me 15 minutes to refute it
You refuted nothing. Only thing you were right about was Lina Khan, and that was one decision on the advice of better people in a 4 year period of D to C- governing.
The infrastructure bill and Lina Khan are the only things I’ve noticed. I think someone I know got a Pell Grant and was helped by that possibly? But ya, too many of these things are so mean-tested and you have to jump through hoops to get them that so many people don’t benefit that people end up not caring. It’s the equivalent of saying you got so many a band-aid for multiple stab wounds. Ya I guess it’s better than nothing but it’s not going to stop the bleeding and it’s definitely not good enough for the problems the country is facing and how people feel about it. The Democrats just blame the Republicans for being awful, and they are, but they also have an extremely limited imagination in what they promise and give. It ends up leading to the ratchet effect. The Republicans turn us right, and the Democrats only reverse a few things, so we end up more right than before. This trend isn’t sustainable and this combination is why we’re turning fascist today.
Whatever buddy. All these ‘useless’ things done by democrats are going to get demolished by Trump and then some more. Keep vilifying democrats when they were the best chance your country had at improvement.
Enjoy the MAGA hellhole that’s about to fuck everything up.
All these ‘useless’ things done by democrats are going to get demolished by Trump and then some more
I know. That’s why I’ve been pointing out that the American Fascist Party is much worse than the Dems. Which you would have noticed if you’d have bothered to read what I wrote before going on your tribalist tirades.
Keep vilifying democrats
Again, deserved criticism for inadequacy ≠ vilification. I save that for Republicans.
they were the best chance your country had at improvement
Least bad, but yeah. They fucked that right up though, by running a 1992 campaign where they pretend that the left doesn’t exist in the 21st century yet again.
Their awful strategy and arrogance cost them the election, not me.
Enjoy the MAGA hellhole that’s about to fuck everything up.
Right back at you once again. The people you’re defending caused that.
Agreed. If only there had been any to choose from. Instead you get a choice between “maintain the fire burning down your house and sometimes stoke it” and “throw gasoline on it” 😮💨
Fucking. Bullshit.
Get the fuck out of here with “both sides” cold takes.
YOU get the fuck out of here with your “criticizing one side while making clear that the other is much worse is the same thing as saying that both sides are the same” bullshit.
Just because Republicans are much worse doesn’t mean that Democrats are exempt from criticism when they’re not doing their job of faithfully representing the interests of the people. ESPECIALLY when it leads to Republicans winning elections.
Your criticism of democrats is either dumb or/and disingenuous.
Straight up misinformation. In addition to fixing the economy, Biden administration forgave $175 billions in student loans, lowered unemployment, passed PACT act, CHIPS act, infrastructure bill, expanded healthcare, appointed Lina Khan on FTC, someone who’s going as hard as she can against corporates. FTC banned non-compete clauses under her leadership.
There are multiple different reports about Biden administration’s work, if you care to look.
Of course the administration had to navigate through the real world challenges and they couldn’t manage to wave a wand and turn USA into utopia.
But to ignore the work they’ve done and say
is abso-fucking-lutely stupid.
You’re as misinformed as Fox News viewer.
And now we have example of Brandolini’s law, “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
Took you less than a minutes to be callously ignorant and it took me 15 minutes to refute it, not for you but for others who might click this thread.
Get informed or get fucked.
I recognize both of y’all from around here and you both often have decent takes. Maybe take a step back and try to salvage things between each other, I know it’d be worth it. Peace.
Look at the ‘decent take’ he just posted. Nothing democrats did will ever be good enough for these twats because they want everything, right now. Incremental change? What the fuck is that?
I’m better off blocking this wanker for the sake of my mental health.
The DNC clearly needs progressives to win, and yet liberals refuse to do anything but antagonize and insult and condescend to leftists.
We tried “incremental change” with Hillary in 2016 and lost, Biden leaned more on progressive talking points and won (barely). The DNC saw that and said, “alright, so 2024, we’re gonna go hard right again.”
All the while, leftists and progressives, throughout the campaign, were vocally calling for policies that better reflected their needs and concerns. They weren’t asking for everything, but they wanted something to show them the DNC was willing to compromise with them.
Instead, people like you and the Harris campaign, doubled down on Republican-lite policies because “stop fascism,” condescended to and screamed at anyone who tried to criticize Harris and her policies during the, refused to meet us, the leftists they need to win the election, anywhere in the middle, but then extended a warm and welcoming arm to Cheney and her Republican ilk.
So why is it the Democrats are more willing to compromise with Republicans who won’t vote for them, but not compromise with their own constituents looking for a progressive option to vote for rather than only an option to vote against?
Not an American and too tired to deal with this fuckery. Keep riding that moral high horse while Trump takes a wrecking ball to the country. Same goes for those supposedly millions of leftist/progressives who’d rather risk a Trump presidency than have a dialog with Harris administration.
Ciao.
Yep, keep plugging your ears and telling yourself the voting base that wasn’t represented in either candidate stayed home and it’s their fault.
Not the fault of an unpopular platform telling Americans the numbers on their papers and charts are more important than their lived reality.
CiAo 🙄
Yeah, but all he’ll be remembered for is his part in the Gaza genocide. History’s funny that way.
Nope. It’s accurate.
Thanks for starting your paragraph with a section heading so I know what’s coming.
The stock market and other indicators that the rich is doing well, you mean. The vast majority of regular people are doing worse today than before covid and Trump’s criminal mishandling of it demolished everything.
That’s an inflated number. The loan forgiveness has been a drop in the bucket compared to the full scope of the problem, means tested to hell and back, and with reams of paperwork required to even be considered. That’s not what the people wills.
According to cherrypicked numbers that only counts the newly unemployed and actively job-seeking.
The millions of people who have been unemployed for a long time and finally given up aren’t represented in the statistics you and your favorite demagogues are so proud of.
CONGRESS passed that. After dozens of veterans camped outside the capital for days in protest of their inaction.
Giant giveaway to exploitative corporations
Same, but with bragging about minimal climate change mitigation improvements while downplaying 10 million acres of new federal fossil fuel land leases.
Another case of the people wanting a mile, needing half a mile to barely get by without being forced to choose between death or lifelong debt, and getting an inch.
Admittedly a great thing done as a concession to the much more progressive people who suggested her. Same with Lauren McFerran at the NLRB. Doesn’t mean that Biden gets personal credit for their work.
I have been. Seemingly unlike you, though, my sources have not been limited to those that are effectively pro-DNC propaganda outlets.
The eternal excuse of the incompetent and the corrupt. Nobody’s demanding perfection. You’re just far too easily impressed and/or blinded by tribalism.
I’m not ignoring anything. Again, my standards are just higher than your abyssal ones.
Hey, I found this picture of you!
Again with the projection. Your gish gallop is demagogue propaganda, not proof of anything.
Nah, I was just concise in my accurate description of affairs. Not my fault that your apologia is as verbose as it’s misleading.
You refuted nothing. Only thing you were right about was Lina Khan, and that was one decision on the advice of better people in a 4 year period of D to C- governing.
Right back at you, buddy.
The infrastructure bill and Lina Khan are the only things I’ve noticed. I think someone I know got a Pell Grant and was helped by that possibly? But ya, too many of these things are so mean-tested and you have to jump through hoops to get them that so many people don’t benefit that people end up not caring. It’s the equivalent of saying you got so many a band-aid for multiple stab wounds. Ya I guess it’s better than nothing but it’s not going to stop the bleeding and it’s definitely not good enough for the problems the country is facing and how people feel about it. The Democrats just blame the Republicans for being awful, and they are, but they also have an extremely limited imagination in what they promise and give. It ends up leading to the ratchet effect. The Republicans turn us right, and the Democrats only reverse a few things, so we end up more right than before. This trend isn’t sustainable and this combination is why we’re turning fascist today.
Whatever buddy. All these ‘useless’ things done by democrats are going to get demolished by Trump and then some more. Keep vilifying democrats when they were the best chance your country had at improvement.
Enjoy the MAGA hellhole that’s about to fuck everything up.
I know. That’s why I’ve been pointing out that the American Fascist Party is much worse than the Dems. Which you would have noticed if you’d have bothered to read what I wrote before going on your tribalist tirades.
Again, deserved criticism for inadequacy ≠ vilification. I save that for Republicans.
Least bad, but yeah. They fucked that right up though, by running a 1992 campaign where they pretend that the left doesn’t exist in the 21st century yet again.
Their awful strategy and arrogance cost them the election, not me.
Right back at you once again. The people you’re defending caused that.