• @lennybird
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    12 days ago

    I’ll never understand why neither Harris nor at least Walz didn’t fully pierce into the echo-chamber of the manosphere.

    I thought this was half the point of picking Walz who could hold his own on guns and sports with Joe Rogan and all that shit.

    The closest Harris got was… Going on on Howard Stern? Gen Z men aren’t listening to Stern.

    Edit: I know why. They miscalculated (and I did, too). They thought women alone would turn out in a proportion greater than the historically-low turnout of young men. More than that, millions just fell for the both sides disinfo ops and sat out. But that doesn’t change the point that it was low risk / high reward to go on those outlets.

    • @Godric
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      Also, the extent of the campaign’s outreach to young men was “vote on behalf of the women you know”.

      Maybe pick a better message that doesn’t exclude their entire demographic and you might find better results.

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        12 days ago

        What you’re saying is we should’ve realized how selfish and uncaring they were (speaking as a white male myself). You’re right, but it’s fucking sad.

    • @[email protected]
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      My theory has been that left leaning men let other voices be heard. That came at the cost of letting the right fill the power vacuum. The left need to let their own assholes be assholes.

      I think Democrats have needed more chaotic good and lawful evil parts of the chart. Everyone else on the left need to realize those guys will need to say the wrong things for the right reasons. After all the messaging is not for you. It’s for the boys with a tendency to the right.

      What they say will not agree with you. Lose the battle, win the war.

    • @[email protected]
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      The walls of the echo-chamber have been built up and reinforced for over a decade. No single election cycle will ever pierce through.

      These people are lost causes unless a massive culture shift happens. And it’s not looking like that will happen in the next decades. You, just like other countries, will have to deal with a growing strong block of far right, young men who will grow up to be far right seniors.

      The warning signs started being obvious with Gamergate but they were ignored. The only thing that can be done is preventing the growth of these echo-chambers but the damage is done. It’s just like how carbon capture will not solve climate change, only stopping emitting more as soon as possible.