• @dohpaz42
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    2922 hours ago

    Thats more of a step 2 or 3. Step 1 is that everybody needs to start putting pressure on the DNC and make sure they understand that we’re not going to take it anymore. And I’m not referring to that bullshit “not voting” rhetoric, because not voting is tantamount to voting republican.

    Once the DNC is forced to listen to us plebs again, then it’ll be a good time to look at breaking out into more parties. But we need to put the fear of whomever they pray to in them first.

    • @[email protected]
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      12 hours ago

      Why don’t we simply kill the DNC instead. And the RNC. Seems easier that way. And no I don’t mean mentally.

      • @dohpaz42
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        145 minutes ago

        Yeah, because that ever works.

    • @rational_lib
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      44 hours ago

      That’s what they did this election, and we got fascism and the DNC doesn’t matter anymore. So now what?

    • @[email protected]
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      1017 hours ago

      The dnc is never going to listen to the plebs because they only answer the money, and we don’t have it. As long as people keep participating in their game of electoral politics, nothing will change. Let them lose several elections in a row, and maybe they’ll see the light or fade off into obscurity, which is the preferred method.

      • @dohpaz42
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        416 hours ago

        Doubt we have two or three elections left in us.

        Look, I’m right there with you and this defeatist feeling. You and me by ourselves can’t do shit. But guess what? There’s millions of us. And for decades it’s been beaten into our heads that we are powerless; that we are nothing because we are not rich.

        There was a time where there was a group of people who were treated far worse than we’re being treated now. They had so much less than us, and got treated so much worse than us. Yet somehow, they fought back. And while they’re still fighting, they’ve made huge inroads with the status quo that it’s left its mark for the rest of time.

        If they can do that, then the least we can do is scare the shit out of a bunch of idjits at the DNC.

    • @Cornelius_Wangenheim
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      414 hours ago

      You know you can do more than pressure them, right? You can get involved with your state party, which in turn elects the leaders of the national party. You can vote in the primaries and kick out corporate Dems. We know this works because it’s precisely how the fascists took over the Republican party.

    • @tburkhol
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      2021 hours ago

      The reality of American political process is that it takes at least a billion dollars to run a Presidential campaign. (Thanks, SCOTUS) That kind of money doesn’t come from unions, social activists, or proletariat donors. It comes from corporations and billionaires, and those people don’t like revolution.

      Until someone can demonstrate that you can get more votes with progressive, worker-friendly policy proposals than with a well funded propaganda machine, the DNC is going to keep chasing the less conservative billionaires. And no third party will even be relevant.

      • @[email protected]
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        13 hours ago

        Idk, Harris vastly outraised Trump (over $1B in 3 months) and it… didn’t move the needle.

        Progressives need to distill their ideas down into smart, easily repeated ideas (Billionaire bad, union good) that can spread via social media, aren’t inflammatory (defund the police, etc), and aren’t based on fear and loathing but rather a message of hope.

      • @Ensign_Crab
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        1618 hours ago

        As long as the DNC is chasing billionaires, we have no second party.

        • @[email protected]
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          I mean we very obviously do. We have two corporate oligarch parties, but I would much rather have the tech billionaire club that brought us the Gates foundation or the Allen institute and isn’t actively trying to kill a large portion of the country than the one that sees what Israel is doing to Palestine as a good model of how to clean up the riffraff

          • @Ensign_Crab
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            614 hours ago

            I mean we very obviously do.

            No. We have a viable party that chases billionaires with credibility behind it, and the Democratic Party that chases billionaires while pretending that they are for working people, and kills their own viability because they have no credibility with either group.

            As long as they chase billionaires, Democrats are not a viable second party. From a functional standpoint, we have only one party.

            • @[email protected]
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              Does viable have a different definition for you that doesn’t include winning roughly half of elections?

      • Em Adespoton
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        717 hours ago

        The thing is, a message that’s simple, resonates, and allows people to blame others will always win out over a message calling people to pull their own weight and do the complicated but correct things.

    • @BrianTheeBiscuiteer
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      1521 hours ago

      If they really cared about “country over party” they’d vehemently support ranked choice voting at all levels of government and an end to gerrymandering. Even though the Democrats aren’t really extremists our political system will continue to prop up extreme views if everything is identity politics and there are only two you can choose from.

    • @[email protected]
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      1121 hours ago

      Step 1 is already done, and now institutional resistance from inside the party is the problem. So it is in fact time for step 2, there’s enough of a body of voters to start building it.

      The trick is that to subsume the DNC in the next ten years or so, the party has to form a coalition with it for now while remaining separate. That could achieve two goals: first, put a lot of pressure on Republicans they aren’t ready for. Next, create a strong leftward tension that just isn’t represented right now and which the Democrats will be walled off from controlling.

      It’s sort of what happened with the Tea Party / MAGA.

    • @pjwestin
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      619 hours ago

      Yup. Call your Senators and tell them you have no faith in the party leadership, and that Chuck Shcumer cannot continue as Senate Minority Leader. If they’re up for reelection in the next two years, tell them you’re happy to support a primary challenger if it’s the only way to get change.