Exactly! I’m so tired of being accused of being a liberal and/or a fascist every single time I note that China or Russia isn’t some perfect leftist utopia, but in fact just another empire that is a pain in the ass not only to other countries but also their own citizens.
China is a fascist ethnostate, Russia is another neoliberal capitalist state, North Korea IMO cannot be described as socialist, Vietnam is pretty cool but mixed and only partially socialist, Cuba is not great tbh just in general, Venezuela is horrible, the Nordic states are just Social Democrat states, Israel has multiple worker co-ops but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re still a genocidal ethnostate, that just about covers all the tankie countries.
I haven’t seen a single Marxist in favor of Israel, though, you’re just inventing people at this point. Unless you’re trying to describe entirely different groups under the same general umbrella, but that confuses the convesation.
The people supporting China, Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, etc. and “critically supporting” Russia in its anti-Western stance are generally Marxists, and none of these people support Israel, and none fully support Russia. Israel has some few people that support the faux-Socialist “Kibbutz” system, but these people are anti-China, anti-Cuba, anti-Vietnam, anti-Venezuela, etc.
That’s why I am saying it’s confusing the conversation, your “tankie” doesn’t hold all of the views you mentioned, you’re describing separate groups under one label, a label almost always used for Marxists, and as such it leads to obfuscation of your actual message, hence confusion from other users.
Riiiight, that’s why on a lemmygrad post literally defending Russian war camps as western propaganda (and how the oppression of Uyghurs was completely fabricated) I got downvoted to hell for even suggesting that China was complicit in Uyghur ethnic cleansing, as if they’re not de facto enforcing Putonghua onto all ethnic groups within its territory - but they said it’s fine since why is teaching people skills and languages bad…
I’m sure you’d make the same argument that it’s actually to the benefit of a third of African counties, India and the Philippines for their official language to be English. See the British empire just wanted to teach them languages and free market skills so they could escape their “poverty and backwardness” (the literal words the Chinese gov uses for Xinjiang residents) - so I don’t see how your point about “none fully support Russia” stands when hardcore MLs are literally full out defending any actions Russia and China take as not only justified but morally good…
Exactly! I’m so tired of being accused of being a liberal and/or a fascist every single time I note that China or Russia isn’t some perfect leftist utopia, but in fact just another empire that is a pain in the ass not only to other countries but also their own citizens.
China is a fascist ethnostate, Russia is another neoliberal capitalist state, North Korea IMO cannot be described as socialist, Vietnam is pretty cool but mixed and only partially socialist, Cuba is not great tbh just in general, Venezuela is horrible, the Nordic states are just Social Democrat states, Israel has multiple worker co-ops but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re still a genocidal ethnostate, that just about covers all the tankie countries.
Russia has long reached the end state of neoliberal capitalism, fascism. The US is currently transitioning.
Israel is a tankie country now? Don’t they support Palestine? Let’s not rob tankies of their only correct opinion!
Kinda how they believe Chinas genocide is justified Tankies have no real problem with genocide
I haven’t seen a single Marxist in favor of Israel, though, you’re just inventing people at this point. Unless you’re trying to describe entirely different groups under the same general umbrella, but that confuses the convesation.
I’m using the term “tankie” to describe fake leftists, Israel has a lot of fake leftists and so called “Labor-Zionists”
The people supporting China, Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, etc. and “critically supporting” Russia in its anti-Western stance are generally Marxists, and none of these people support Israel, and none fully support Russia. Israel has some few people that support the faux-Socialist “Kibbutz” system, but these people are anti-China, anti-Cuba, anti-Vietnam, anti-Venezuela, etc.
That’s why I am saying it’s confusing the conversation, your “tankie” doesn’t hold all of the views you mentioned, you’re describing separate groups under one label, a label almost always used for Marxists, and as such it leads to obfuscation of your actual message, hence confusion from other users.
The label itself is meaningless
I mean, I agree that the term is meaningless, but surely you can see why your usage of it to describe Zionists caused confusion, right?
Riiiight, that’s why on a lemmygrad post literally defending Russian war camps as western propaganda (and how the oppression of Uyghurs was completely fabricated) I got downvoted to hell for even suggesting that China was complicit in Uyghur ethnic cleansing, as if they’re not de facto enforcing Putonghua onto all ethnic groups within its territory - but they said it’s fine since why is teaching people skills and languages bad…
I’m sure you’d make the same argument that it’s actually to the benefit of a third of African counties, India and the Philippines for their official language to be English. See the British empire just wanted to teach them languages and free market skills so they could escape their “poverty and backwardness” (the literal words the Chinese gov uses for Xinjiang residents) - so I don’t see how your point about “none fully support Russia” stands when hardcore MLs are literally full out defending any actions Russia and China take as not only justified but morally good…