Are you joking? Or are you delusional? Have you linked the article you meant to? The article said that support of Israel doing genocide in Gaza is low. People obviously protested the military support for genocide, that much I believe is a given, as people did that in all major democratic countries even if those countries didn’t support Israel in any way. And you’re claiming that Harris lost elections not because she failed to convince her electorate that she will do something about it, but rather because this electorate protested? And you’re blaming the fact that protests happened solely on the left, and think that broader populace was fine with genocide until leftists did something?
I’m pretty sure you have to be trolling at this point, but okay. Lets square it up. USA provided military and diplomatic aid to Israel, that allowed Israel to conduct a Palestinian genocide in Gaza. They could have stopped the support at that point, but they didn’t. People protested spending their tax money on exploding children in Gaza, and USA government attempted to silence those protests, which included censuring Rashida Talib. Biden outright lied, claiming he saw photos of newborns beheaded by Hamas, a claim we know now was completely false. And lets not talk about the morality of it all, lets talk about optics, how that entire affair looked like to USA citizens. Democrats came out like blood hungry warmongers and Biden refused to do anything about that. He sometimes said that he asked Netanyahu to stop, but got ignored and rewarded Israel with more taxpayer paid weapons. That made Dems look additionally weak. Then the shift happened and Harris came into the forefront, where she every now and then said something to the effect of “she will do something to help”, but continued to refuse to platform pro-palestinian voices and to promise to take care of Israel defences, for example here. She and her party has all the power, in the eyes of the people, to do something right now (or rather, back then, now Biden sent even more weapons), but she did nothing. One of her most clipped moments was her admission she wouldn’t do anything differently from Biden, who already had all that blood on his hands in the eyes of the voters.
And you blame the protesters for asking her to do something instead of her for doing nothing/not enough? And not even the protesters, you’re singling out the leftists as the people who caused harm here, while they asked the other side to stop, and other side happily enabled genocide. You do realise it’s not just left wing and people interested in politics that care about people dying, right? Because aaaall of that above convinced people who didn’t think about politics on a daily basis that Harris is unworthy of trust, which put her on a level playing field with Trump. Some of those people even bought the argument that Trump is anti-war and went to vote for him. And you think the left did it? That they were the sole force of disapproval that caused the protests to erupt, and not that protests were obviously justified and most likely reaction to bombs exploding children in Gaza?
The blame for that lies entirely on Dems, specifically on Biden and Harris. They could have done the popular thing and stopped sending weapons to Israel. They didn’t, and it caused a lot of people to think worse of them because of that. Out of those folks, those who didn’t want to understand politics and flet they didn’t have anything to worry about regardless of who won, or had any other number of median voter thoughts, decided to stay home. Or vote Trump, since he confidently claimed he will stop that war, despite obviously not planning to.
Blaming protesters protesting an unpopular and sustained political decision of the ruling government for this government losing the elections is wild. The mental gymnastics you must need to perform to justify that take baffle me. The gall to blame the left specifically for all that, as if all people wouldn’t respond to genocide negatively, is incredible. Overall, 10/10, would not reccomend. I don’t intend to engage further in this discussion if that’s the kind of bullshit you want to drag up, personally I find it sort of disgusting.
If protestors are protesting Harris by giving power to someone who will commit more genocide then are they acting in good faith? Of course not. That was an excuse used by bad faith actors to trick the gullible into giving Trump power. And you’re just repeating the talking points that the left was tricked with while trying to claim the left didn’t do it, it was just bots.
You’re the one baselessly claiming that the left protested by not voting, the protests I spoke of were those where people came out in the streets, because those actually happened. Nothing in the article or my comments pointed to people on the left not wanting to vote. Also, you seem to have missed the part where regular people disliked the genocide.
“Democrats Ignored Gaza and Brought Down Their Party.”
“Israel’s slaughter and starvation of Palestinians — funded by U.S. taxpayers and live-streamed on social media,” according to Beinart, has “triggered one of the greatest surges in progressive activism in a generation”.
“Brought down their party” indicates the progressive activism was related to voting. Not protesting in the streets.
“Democrats Ignored Gaza and Brought Down Their Party” indicates nothing about activism and everything about Democrats doing unpopular stuff that costed them elections. The activism, all along, was focused on making Biden/Harris do something in Gaza, not voting them out, as voting them out wouldn’t make any sense neither for the left, nor for Palestinians. The idea that it would, and that the protests intended to do that is delusional, it doesn’t even hint at having any connection with reality, pushing things in that direction would do nothing to achieve the aims activists had. You mixing up bot activity on lemmy with leftists protesting and also canvasing on the streets make no sense, and your only point of connection is the fact that those bots posted on lemmy.ml. You even have a straight forward article that says Dems lost the elections because they refused to do anything with Gaza (a disputable position at the very least, but nevermind), which obviously means that general electorate was less willing to vote for them and that resulted in less votes, and you conclude from that that leftists specifically protested the genocide by not voting. You ignore the obvious and substitute it for the unsubstantiated absurd.
You’re the one baselessly claiming that the left protested by not voting
“Democrats Ignored Gaza and Brought Down Their Party” indicates nothing about activism and everything about Democrats doing unpopular stuff that costed them elections.
You claim that it is baseless to say the left protested the Gaza situation by not voting. Then you say the Gaza situation was unpopular and costed dems the election.
voting them out wouldn’t make any sense neither for the left, nor for Palestinians. The idea that it would, and that the protests intended to do that is delusional, it doesn’t even hint at having any connection with reality, pushing things in that direction would do nothing to achieve the aims activists had.
To pretend that protesting Gaza in a way that blames democrats for Netanyahu’s actions has no impact on the popularity of a Democratic candidate and thus results in them losing an election is to contradict this statement:
“Democrats Ignored Gaza and Brought Down Their Party” indicates nothing about activism and everything about Democrats doing unpopular stuff that costed them elections.
You mixing up bot activity on lemmy with leftists protesting and also canvasing on the streets make no sense, and your only point of connection is the fact that those bots posted on lemmy.ml.
The point of connection is the talking points/arguments against Biden/Harris. Placing blame on them for the actions of Netanyahu and pretending it is acceptable to let Iran threaten our national security.
Dems lost the elections because they refused to do anything with Gaza (a disputable position at the very least, but nevermind), which obviously means that general electorate was less willing to vote for them and that resulted in less votes
It wasn’t the general electorate that was protesting Gaza. It was the leftists.
You ignore the obvious and substitute it for the unsubstantiated absurd.
You’ve substantiated what I’ve said every time you’ve contradicted yourself.
Are you joking? Or are you delusional? Have you linked the article you meant to? The article said that support of Israel doing genocide in Gaza is low. People obviously protested the military support for genocide, that much I believe is a given, as people did that in all major democratic countries even if those countries didn’t support Israel in any way. And you’re claiming that Harris lost elections not because she failed to convince her electorate that she will do something about it, but rather because this electorate protested? And you’re blaming the fact that protests happened solely on the left, and think that broader populace was fine with genocide until leftists did something?
I’m pretty sure you have to be trolling at this point, but okay. Lets square it up. USA provided military and diplomatic aid to Israel, that allowed Israel to conduct a Palestinian genocide in Gaza. They could have stopped the support at that point, but they didn’t. People protested spending their tax money on exploding children in Gaza, and USA government attempted to silence those protests, which included censuring Rashida Talib. Biden outright lied, claiming he saw photos of newborns beheaded by Hamas, a claim we know now was completely false. And lets not talk about the morality of it all, lets talk about optics, how that entire affair looked like to USA citizens. Democrats came out like blood hungry warmongers and Biden refused to do anything about that. He sometimes said that he asked Netanyahu to stop, but got ignored and rewarded Israel with more taxpayer paid weapons. That made Dems look additionally weak. Then the shift happened and Harris came into the forefront, where she every now and then said something to the effect of “she will do something to help”, but continued to refuse to platform pro-palestinian voices and to promise to take care of Israel defences, for example here. She and her party has all the power, in the eyes of the people, to do something right now (or rather, back then, now Biden sent even more weapons), but she did nothing. One of her most clipped moments was her admission she wouldn’t do anything differently from Biden, who already had all that blood on his hands in the eyes of the voters.
And you blame the protesters for asking her to do something instead of her for doing nothing/not enough? And not even the protesters, you’re singling out the leftists as the people who caused harm here, while they asked the other side to stop, and other side happily enabled genocide. You do realise it’s not just left wing and people interested in politics that care about people dying, right? Because aaaall of that above convinced people who didn’t think about politics on a daily basis that Harris is unworthy of trust, which put her on a level playing field with Trump. Some of those people even bought the argument that Trump is anti-war and went to vote for him. And you think the left did it? That they were the sole force of disapproval that caused the protests to erupt, and not that protests were obviously justified and most likely reaction to bombs exploding children in Gaza?
The blame for that lies entirely on Dems, specifically on Biden and Harris. They could have done the popular thing and stopped sending weapons to Israel. They didn’t, and it caused a lot of people to think worse of them because of that. Out of those folks, those who didn’t want to understand politics and flet they didn’t have anything to worry about regardless of who won, or had any other number of median voter thoughts, decided to stay home. Or vote Trump, since he confidently claimed he will stop that war, despite obviously not planning to.
Blaming protesters protesting an unpopular and sustained political decision of the ruling government for this government losing the elections is wild. The mental gymnastics you must need to perform to justify that take baffle me. The gall to blame the left specifically for all that, as if all people wouldn’t respond to genocide negatively, is incredible. Overall, 10/10, would not reccomend. I don’t intend to engage further in this discussion if that’s the kind of bullshit you want to drag up, personally I find it sort of disgusting.
If protestors are protesting Harris by giving power to someone who will commit more genocide then are they acting in good faith? Of course not. That was an excuse used by bad faith actors to trick the gullible into giving Trump power. And you’re just repeating the talking points that the left was tricked with while trying to claim the left didn’t do it, it was just bots.
You’re the one baselessly claiming that the left protested by not voting, the protests I spoke of were those where people came out in the streets, because those actually happened. Nothing in the article or my comments pointed to people on the left not wanting to vote. Also, you seem to have missed the part where regular people disliked the genocide.
This was from the article:
“Brought down their party” indicates the progressive activism was related to voting. Not protesting in the streets.
“Democrats Ignored Gaza and Brought Down Their Party” indicates nothing about activism and everything about Democrats doing unpopular stuff that costed them elections. The activism, all along, was focused on making Biden/Harris do something in Gaza, not voting them out, as voting them out wouldn’t make any sense neither for the left, nor for Palestinians. The idea that it would, and that the protests intended to do that is delusional, it doesn’t even hint at having any connection with reality, pushing things in that direction would do nothing to achieve the aims activists had. You mixing up bot activity on lemmy with leftists protesting and also canvasing on the streets make no sense, and your only point of connection is the fact that those bots posted on lemmy.ml. You even have a straight forward article that says Dems lost the elections because they refused to do anything with Gaza (a disputable position at the very least, but nevermind), which obviously means that general electorate was less willing to vote for them and that resulted in less votes, and you conclude from that that leftists specifically protested the genocide by not voting. You ignore the obvious and substitute it for the unsubstantiated absurd.
You’re contradicting yourself:
You claim that it is baseless to say the left protested the Gaza situation by not voting. Then you say the Gaza situation was unpopular and costed dems the election.
To pretend that protesting Gaza in a way that blames democrats for Netanyahu’s actions has no impact on the popularity of a Democratic candidate and thus results in them losing an election is to contradict this statement:
The point of connection is the talking points/arguments against Biden/Harris. Placing blame on them for the actions of Netanyahu and pretending it is acceptable to let Iran threaten our national security.
It wasn’t the general electorate that was protesting Gaza. It was the leftists.
You’ve substantiated what I’ve said every time you’ve contradicted yourself.