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Thinking of red states vs blue states is busted. Plenty of good visualizations of this over the years, but this election in particular feels really important to point out “We” did not chose this.
When I say we I mean registered US voters, but even less so citizens, and even less so again residents.
Even of the voters who did vote for the GOP candidate, who can say how many really wanted him or his policies vs they just didn’t want more of the status quo Dems.
The popular vote tallies in this graphic are out of date too, He definitely didn’t win in a landslide the way it can appear with red and blue maps. His win in the popular vote was also pretty small now that more votes have been counted. https://www.thenation.com/…/donald-trump-vote-margin…/
So, what if Biden used broad immunity SCOTUS granted to declare a crisis of democracy - That between massive disinformation campaigns by enemies both foreign and domestic, voter suppression, as well as many other factors, the will of the people can’t be discerned from our recent presidential election. That it would be a dereliction of duty both to the people and to his oath to defend the constitution to hand over power to someone whose clear and declared intent is abuse the power of the office to fundamentally reshape or demolish our republic based on this highly suspect and incomplete result (remember, most people didn’t even vote)
Here is my off the cuff proposal for what to do after that
A new election, everyone must vote. Trump and Harris on the ballot, but each major party must offer 2 candidates, and we’re using Ranked Choice Voting. 1st place gets presidency, 2nd place gets VP.
Biden almost certainly won’t do anything like this. He is clearly a coward with a stupid sense of optimism - a “things will be just fine, no need for any drastic measures” ever, mentality, and despite some rhetoric has shown no signs that he thinks there is anything to actually be concerned about from the party which has veered hard towards fascism. But, hey, a guy can dream.
Donald Trump won the 2024 Presidential election in a free and fair election. The indisuptable fact is that 10 million or so Democrat voters chose, for whatever reason, to stay home. Your proposal essentially takes the whining that Trump has been spewing for 4 years and puts it on steroids. The 2024 election was not stolen; the American people had the chance to make their voices heard, and 10 million of them chose to say nothing. We as a country elected Trump, and now must start dealing with the consequences of that choice. Just like Trump, we don’t get a do-over if we don’t like the results.
I’m going to keep shouting this from the rootops until people get it throigh their skulls: TURNOUT WAS NOT THE ISSUE. Ignoring that people haven’t updated the totals in their head since the Friday after the election, turnout was only down in uncompetitive states. Across the 8-10 swing states turnout was up. More people voted where it mattered most compared to 2020. Find a better explanation because this isn’t it.
Thank you, I’ve been getting so frustrated at people missing the point. The drops in turnout that people saw were in uncompetitive states. While that does effect down ballot races it did not get Trump elected. An uninspiring campaign leads to uninspiring turnout in those areas.
People aren’t doing well and they are willing to vote for anybody claiming to run on change. Most people are politically illiterate and they’ll take a chance on any change they are offered. Running a campaign on more of the same corporate bullshit was a losing strategy.
It wasnt exactly fair, considering Russia called in fake bomb threats to Democrat majority polling places and judges refused to extend voting hours to accommodate for the lost time.
Not to mention all of the voter suppression that the Rs pulled, on top of the fact that many people aren’t able to stand in line for hours to vote since election day isn’t a national holiday.
Why not mail in your vote in advance then? In Norway voting day isn’t a Holiday either. But we can vote early, so it really isn’t an inconvenience.
The same issues apply to early voting. If you’re working during the hours they’re open, you can’t go vote. And not everyone is eligible to get a mail in ballot.
Unfortunately it’s still vulnerable to fire
I don’t think every state allows early mail in
Yeah this isn’t like the last election in Germany before the Nazis, where armed brown-shirts were standing inside the polling places and half the opposition had been arrested in advance.
This was just a normal US election, and the result was Trump.
After he had already said what he’s about to do. In public. Many, many times.
And it wasn’t even close.
I wouldnt say it was exactly normal. There were bomb threats in basically every close swing state area, and lots of voter suppression laws that went into effect (okay, that last part is pretty normal unfortunately)
and some ballot boxes(?) were set on fire
That too, people really tried hard to mess with the vote.
Never said it was stolen. if you have some counter to this “That between massive disinformation campaigns by enemies both foreign and domestic, voter suppression, as well as many other factors, the will of the people can’t be discerned from our recent presidential election.” I’d be interested to hear it.
I admit by that same logic Biden, Trump or other past winners may also be invalid, but that being true of past elections, doesn’t make it not true about this one.
The premise is that “we” didn’t vote for this. Not voting is a choice- in essence a vote. Perhaps not on paper, but a vote nonetheless.
“We” did vote for this, unfortunately.
Technically Trump is ineligible, per the 14th amendment. By the constitution, Harris won.
I know that Biden received 10M more votes than Harris, but the infographic states that 88M people stayed home. You think only 10M of them were Democrats?
My interpretation is that not everyone eligible/registered to vote in 2020 voted. The 88M includes folks that sat out Biden’s election, too.
Sure, but this time they had an impact on the outcome of the election.