A while ago I started a Dark Urge paladin who immediately broke his oath upon reaching Gale. Shortly after I ran into Mol who I think I failed in intimidation check against if I remember right. She said she’d tell the guards I was threatening children.
I wandered off and did all the rest of act 1, found Halsin, wiped out the goblins and leaders, etc, and when I got back to the grove if any guard saw me it’d trigger a dialogue where I had to talk my way out of it or they’d attack me because of Mol. Thing is, I talked my way out of it, but it didn’t move my character after the dialogue so it’d just trigger again on a loop forever.
I used Astarion to turn my PC invisible to get around this, talked to Halsin who didn’t seen to mind, received rewards, thought I’d subverted it. Then I went to camp for the end of act one celebration and, yep, the gurds did the same thing there as well. Except now they’re all together on my camp and every single other character that was there but the four in my party was on their side. That’s Halsin, Laezel, Shadowheart, and every single thiefling and guard against my unrested party.
Not really broken, you don’t have to intimidate her. I’d say more like you inadvertently pissed off the only important child in camp, and now have consequences.
You actually dont have to resolve the grove quest though, you can ignore it and it will “happen” on its own, or else you can just join the goblins side temporarily.
It’s something that it lets you do and the consequence for it is the easily the most broken part of the game. It’s obviously not been thought through or set up properly and it’s an incredibly poor thing to be there at all, never mind years after release.
Not “having” to do something has no bearing on whether or not that thing is broken. When this happens, it feels broken, like a really serious bug. It repeats a conversation indefinitely, it’s very clearly not intentional, especially considering moments earlier I was chatting to Halsin in the grove and he was very complimentary due to me saving his life, stopping a shadow druid from fucking over innocents, and saving the entire grove. But because I threatened a thief and gained the check the whole quest line for the first act is fucked AFTER I did ask the work.
And like I said I’ve completely wiped out so the goblins and already made it to camp to celebrate. But instead they all want to kill me. I was specifically aiming to get Halsin in my party this time round but can’t now and I found out 40 hours in.
Okay so its a big deal for you, I get it. If it happened to me I’d continue my game though, its hardly game breaking. I get that it broke your feelings but the grove has very little to do with the rest of the game. I’d have long forgotten about it by act 2, and even if I did care so much you get 25 autosaves and quicksaves.
I’m not going to hold it against Larian for leaving this in, if its in the current build. They already have gone far above any expectations, and yet here you still are complaining that Larian is ridiculous to allow this bug.
Broken my feelings? Dude this clearly isn’t the intended behaviour and therefore is a big and it’s completely derailed the role I was playing.
Hold it against them? It’s just criticism of a broken bit of their phenomenal game. I started out by specifically saying it’s amazing but not perfect, with this example. It’s ok to criticise things you like, you know.
Dude you threatened a kid and are suffering the consequences. This is intended behavior in an RPG. You cheesed and broke it to get it to that point in the camp and you’re blaming Larian. You chose to play Dark Urge and be a dick to a child and don’t want to deal with everyone hating that. Move on to act 2 and suffer the consequences lol.
Once again I expected consequences I didn’t expect it to be completely bugged out and broken. I passed the persuasion check and had to do it again, and again, and again, until I failed, because once the dialogue closed my character was still in their sight. Every other time where you’re spotted somewhere you’re not supposed to be and you pass a persuasion check you’re either given access to the area or moved out of the area afterwards specifically to avoid this problem.
If you actually think it’s intended behaviour and not an oversight then I don’t know what to tell you, you’re obviously wrong, it’s the buggiest thing I’ve seen in the game - watching it happen looks obviously wrong. Note that every single person in the actual druids grove wasn’t hostile to me whatsoever. It was just some guards around the outside - after they let me in through the gate. Halsin, Vaghda, the dude Halsin sends you to for the rune reward, the Halsins assistant, the druids milling around around the statue, even the bears, none of them hostile. Then I travel to camp and suddenly they’re amongst thirty people trying to kill me.
How about “I didn’t do that, she’s a thief and a liar by reputation” as a deception check, since that’s literally who she is and she stole from me early in the game and I was just trying to get it back? How about just conforming to how these same checks work in the rest of the game?
Or how about not suddenly turning every single person at my camp where I have to go to rest hostile on the word of a known thief and liar after I’ve just saved every single person there? That’s why they’re there, to celebrate me saving their lives. They all merrily made their way all the way to my camp to celebrate me, sat there drinking and chatting with my party members, then when I turn up every last one of them and my own party members turns hostile and tries to kill me. On the word of someone who cons and steals from people on their way into a druid grove.
It couldn’t be clearer that the way these consequences appear don’t make sense.
All this because I dared to suggest one miniscule part of a game I love, have spent 250 hours playing, and have described as amazing, phenomenal, and a masterpiece, was a bit broken.
I disagree about the you don’t have to part. You can, and you should explore these dialog options if you feel like. They are part of the game for a reason. It’s role play.
This was just a standard conversation option with an NPC, and it also had an option to resolve the conflict it created.
The option to convince the guards that you are good was functionally broken. Gamoo explains that as well in the post above. The point is, it’s a bug. It’s far from perfect.
Also bugs:
You can (at least we constantly ran into this, even recently) also lose romance options because of events that happen at long rests. They overwrite the romance events.
The mage tower quest, one particular and important NPC was stuck and didn’t even have a turn in combat. Just T posed there. Reloading the save did not help.
If Larian has called it a bug then I’ll agree it is. I’m saying though it wouldnt bother me if it was intentional either. Sure a bit heavy handed of a reaction to essentially bar you from camp, but each playthrough going differently than expected is a strong point.
Also, can and should are not the same as must or have to.
Huh? How did you manage to do that?
A while ago I started a Dark Urge paladin who immediately broke his oath upon reaching Gale. Shortly after I ran into Mol who I think I failed in intimidation check against if I remember right. She said she’d tell the guards I was threatening children.
I wandered off and did all the rest of act 1, found Halsin, wiped out the goblins and leaders, etc, and when I got back to the grove if any guard saw me it’d trigger a dialogue where I had to talk my way out of it or they’d attack me because of Mol. Thing is, I talked my way out of it, but it didn’t move my character after the dialogue so it’d just trigger again on a loop forever.
I used Astarion to turn my PC invisible to get around this, talked to Halsin who didn’t seen to mind, received rewards, thought I’d subverted it. Then I went to camp for the end of act one celebration and, yep, the gurds did the same thing there as well. Except now they’re all together on my camp and every single other character that was there but the four in my party was on their side. That’s Halsin, Laezel, Shadowheart, and every single thiefling and guard against my unrested party.
Broken. Do NOT mess with Mol.
Not really broken, you don’t have to intimidate her. I’d say more like you inadvertently pissed off the only important child in camp, and now have consequences.
You actually dont have to resolve the grove quest though, you can ignore it and it will “happen” on its own, or else you can just join the goblins side temporarily.
It’s something that it lets you do and the consequence for it is the easily the most broken part of the game. It’s obviously not been thought through or set up properly and it’s an incredibly poor thing to be there at all, never mind years after release.
Not “having” to do something has no bearing on whether or not that thing is broken. When this happens, it feels broken, like a really serious bug. It repeats a conversation indefinitely, it’s very clearly not intentional, especially considering moments earlier I was chatting to Halsin in the grove and he was very complimentary due to me saving his life, stopping a shadow druid from fucking over innocents, and saving the entire grove. But because I threatened a thief and gained the check the whole quest line for the first act is fucked AFTER I did ask the work.
And like I said I’ve completely wiped out so the goblins and already made it to camp to celebrate. But instead they all want to kill me. I was specifically aiming to get Halsin in my party this time round but can’t now and I found out 40 hours in.
Okay so its a big deal for you, I get it. If it happened to me I’d continue my game though, its hardly game breaking. I get that it broke your feelings but the grove has very little to do with the rest of the game. I’d have long forgotten about it by act 2, and even if I did care so much you get 25 autosaves and quicksaves.
I’m not going to hold it against Larian for leaving this in, if its in the current build. They already have gone far above any expectations, and yet here you still are complaining that Larian is ridiculous to allow this bug.
Broken my feelings? Dude this clearly isn’t the intended behaviour and therefore is a big and it’s completely derailed the role I was playing.
Hold it against them? It’s just criticism of a broken bit of their phenomenal game. I started out by specifically saying it’s amazing but not perfect, with this example. It’s ok to criticise things you like, you know.
Dude you threatened a kid and are suffering the consequences. This is intended behavior in an RPG. You cheesed and broke it to get it to that point in the camp and you’re blaming Larian. You chose to play Dark Urge and be a dick to a child and don’t want to deal with everyone hating that. Move on to act 2 and suffer the consequences lol.
Once again I expected consequences I didn’t expect it to be completely bugged out and broken. I passed the persuasion check and had to do it again, and again, and again, until I failed, because once the dialogue closed my character was still in their sight. Every other time where you’re spotted somewhere you’re not supposed to be and you pass a persuasion check you’re either given access to the area or moved out of the area afterwards specifically to avoid this problem.
If you actually think it’s intended behaviour and not an oversight then I don’t know what to tell you, you’re obviously wrong, it’s the buggiest thing I’ve seen in the game - watching it happen looks obviously wrong. Note that every single person in the actual druids grove wasn’t hostile to me whatsoever. It was just some guards around the outside - after they let me in through the gate. Halsin, Vaghda, the dude Halsin sends you to for the rune reward, the Halsins assistant, the druids milling around around the statue, even the bears, none of them hostile. Then I travel to camp and suddenly they’re amongst thirty people trying to kill me.
How about “I didn’t do that, she’s a thief and a liar by reputation” as a deception check, since that’s literally who she is and she stole from me early in the game and I was just trying to get it back? How about just conforming to how these same checks work in the rest of the game?
Or how about not suddenly turning every single person at my camp where I have to go to rest hostile on the word of a known thief and liar after I’ve just saved every single person there? That’s why they’re there, to celebrate me saving their lives. They all merrily made their way all the way to my camp to celebrate me, sat there drinking and chatting with my party members, then when I turn up every last one of them and my own party members turns hostile and tries to kill me. On the word of someone who cons and steals from people on their way into a druid grove.
It couldn’t be clearer that the way these consequences appear don’t make sense.
All this because I dared to suggest one miniscule part of a game I love, have spent 250 hours playing, and have described as amazing, phenomenal, and a masterpiece, was a bit broken.
I disagree about the you don’t have to part. You can, and you should explore these dialog options if you feel like. They are part of the game for a reason. It’s role play. This was just a standard conversation option with an NPC, and it also had an option to resolve the conflict it created.
The option to convince the guards that you are good was functionally broken. Gamoo explains that as well in the post above. The point is, it’s a bug. It’s far from perfect.
Also bugs: You can (at least we constantly ran into this, even recently) also lose romance options because of events that happen at long rests. They overwrite the romance events.
The mage tower quest, one particular and important NPC was stuck and didn’t even have a turn in combat. Just T posed there. Reloading the save did not help.
That said, the game is great. Just not perfect.
If Larian has called it a bug then I’ll agree it is. I’m saying though it wouldnt bother me if it was intentional either. Sure a bit heavy handed of a reaction to essentially bar you from camp, but each playthrough going differently than expected is a strong point.
Also, can and should are not the same as must or have to.