Not the person you’re responding to, but enjoybeingtakenforaride. There’s always a Joe Lieberman, a Kyrsten Sinema, a Joe Manchin, or a senate parliamentarian (what?) to act as a foil, preventing any leftward movement at all and instead ratcheting right.
Neoliberals will sooner appease fascists than act as traitors to their class by doing anything left wing at all.
We are fucked either way it’s just a matter of damage control. A third party win simply won’t be tenable anytime soon. I really tire of this conversation. No one has ever convinced me there’s any chance a third party could even get over 10% of votes. It’s not remotely believable. Seriously are you guys on heavy drugs? I honestly cannot fathom believing that route could ever, ever work.
No, democracy itself doesn’t work. It’s a facade where the public thinks they have a choice when in reality there’s no choices and everything is back room deals that enrich corrupt politicians (nearly all of them) and industry. You just admitted it yourself saying how third parties are impossible. How do you not see how you’re a mark (like most of the American public) being fooled? Is it even a democracy when our candidates are chosen for us? the democrats havent run a primary that they didn’t try to ratfuck since 2004! in 2008 they tried and failed to ratfuck Obama and install Hillary, not that it mattered because the second he came into office he did a complete 180 and broke every promise he made to get himself elected.
Our country needs a second revolution and our government needs to be overthrown. Capitalism needs to be abolished.
Our brutal imperialism around the world led by both parties enthusiastically is not “damage control”. People starving and living in the streets while we have endless money for imperialist wars of choice is not damage control.
Just the other day in vermont where I live a homeless couple diedofexposure after our supermajorityliberal government threw them out of the hotel program because our liberal public is sick and tired of paying higher taxes. Meanwhile we have the highest homelessness rate and highest rate of vacant second/third/fourth/fifth homes for the rich globalist class that makes their money stealing our wages. People dying from capitalism enthusiastically supported by both parties is not damage control. Our supermajority state legislature of liberals is comprised almost entirely of rich property and business owners. An average person like myself can’t be a politician because it doesn’t pay a living wage so you need a second job, and a second job is not flexible enough to support being a politician for a few months a year. It’s classist as fuck by design.
Yeah, it’s BOTH PARTIES. liberals like to pretend they’re holier than you but scratch one (raise their property taxes) and the poorly hidden fascist inside them comes out. They’re ok with bombs being dropped on brown people abroad so long as it’s a gay black trans woman dropping them. They’re ok with their fellow Vermonters dying from exposure so long as their property taxes don’t go up.
Ah yes, being a leftist of the anarchocommunist / libertarian socialist persuasion totally makes me a tankie, somebody who supports “communist” authoritarian governments like the famously “communist” modern day Russia or China. LMFAO.
I love how all you have to respond to a valid argument against the US waging its imperialist wars of choice abroad while its citizens suffer greatly at home with rising homelessness, living paycheck to paycheck with no savings for emergencies, and no healthcare, is ad hominem “tankie”. It’s not even accurate. Libs have zero political knowledge, after all, they’ve been voting blue no matter who for decades now as our country descends into fascist chaos. How’s that working out for you, libshit? You gonna vote even harder next election? that will show them! And now they’re gonna peacefully transfer power to fascists after bleating about them for the last 8+ years.
Get fucked, liberal. Enjoy the trump presidency, you earned the fascism.
Maybe if you came at people with not-being-a-huge-asshole they’d be more inclined to actually see some value in your words. All I got from you is misplaced rage, so you can yourself get thoroughly fucked.
Ps. Libertarianism is reserved solely for stupid people who find themselves to be very smart
You obviously don’t know what libertarian socialism is nor anarcho communism (I’m somewhere between the two related concepts).
Libertarian is the opposite of authoritarian, which is quite rich when you call someone who’s against authoritarianism a tankie. The Libertarian party in America is a fucking joke and not related to left wing libertarianism at all. It’s essentially a party of fuck you I got mine, but gay people and weed are cool.
And in typical liberal fashion when you can’t win an argument you resort to name calling and when that doesn’t work you bitch and moan about tone policing.
The left is unified in one regard: telling liberals who led us into fascism to get fucked. cry about it liberal. Aren’t you supposed to be marching around with your stupid signs and pussy hats now that trump got re-elected? Shouldn’t you be donating to the ReSiStAnCe? (who’s “leaders” are currently slobbing on trumps knob because they’re class traitors)
Where’s the vote blue no matter who crowd? Why aren’t they putting their money where their mouth is and having their own January 6th? I thought trump was the next hitler. Where’s the fight liberals? Is it hiding where y’all promised to “push biden to the left”?
Bunch of useless sheep, the lot of you. Go ahead and roll over for the fascists because politeness and protecting institutions matters more to you than protecting minorities like myself from the wrath of the christofascists.
If you are going to erase the damage and disgusting acts of neoliberals, then it is also a no go from me.
Enjoy your bOtH SiDeS
Not the person you’re responding to, but enjoy being taken for a ride. There’s always a Joe Lieberman, a Kyrsten Sinema, a Joe Manchin, or a senate parliamentarian (what?) to act as a foil, preventing any leftward movement at all and instead ratcheting right.
Neoliberals will sooner appease fascists than act as traitors to their class by doing anything left wing at all.
We are fucked either way it’s just a matter of damage control. A third party win simply won’t be tenable anytime soon. I really tire of this conversation. No one has ever convinced me there’s any chance a third party could even get over 10% of votes. It’s not remotely believable. Seriously are you guys on heavy drugs? I honestly cannot fathom believing that route could ever, ever work.
No, democracy itself doesn’t work. It’s a facade where the public thinks they have a choice when in reality there’s no choices and everything is back room deals that enrich corrupt politicians (nearly all of them) and industry. You just admitted it yourself saying how third parties are impossible. How do you not see how you’re a mark (like most of the American public) being fooled? Is it even a democracy when our candidates are chosen for us? the democrats havent run a primary that they didn’t try to ratfuck since 2004! in 2008 they tried and failed to ratfuck Obama and install Hillary, not that it mattered because the second he came into office he did a complete 180 and broke every promise he made to get himself elected.
Our country needs a second revolution and our government needs to be overthrown. Capitalism needs to be abolished.
Our brutal imperialism around the world led by both parties enthusiastically is not “damage control”. People starving and living in the streets while we have endless money for imperialist wars of choice is not damage control.
Just the other day in vermont where I live a homeless couple died of exposure after our supermajority liberal government threw them out of the hotel program because our liberal public is sick and tired of paying higher taxes. Meanwhile we have the highest homelessness rate and highest rate of vacant second/third/fourth/fifth homes for the rich globalist class that makes their money stealing our wages. People dying from capitalism enthusiastically supported by both parties is not damage control. Our supermajority state legislature of liberals is comprised almost entirely of rich property and business owners. An average person like myself can’t be a politician because it doesn’t pay a living wage so you need a second job, and a second job is not flexible enough to support being a politician for a few months a year. It’s classist as fuck by design.
Yeah, it’s BOTH PARTIES. liberals like to pretend they’re holier than you but scratch one (raise their property taxes) and the poorly hidden fascist inside them comes out. They’re ok with bombs being dropped on brown people abroad so long as it’s a gay black trans woman dropping them. They’re ok with their fellow Vermonters dying from exposure so long as their property taxes don’t go up.
Fucking tankie
Ah yes, being a leftist of the anarchocommunist / libertarian socialist persuasion totally makes me a tankie, somebody who supports “communist” authoritarian governments like the famously “communist” modern day Russia or China. LMFAO.
I love how all you have to respond to a valid argument against the US waging its imperialist wars of choice abroad while its citizens suffer greatly at home with rising homelessness, living paycheck to paycheck with no savings for emergencies, and no healthcare, is ad hominem “tankie”. It’s not even accurate. Libs have zero political knowledge, after all, they’ve been voting blue no matter who for decades now as our country descends into fascist chaos. How’s that working out for you, libshit? You gonna vote even harder next election? that will show them! And now they’re gonna peacefully transfer power to fascists after bleating about them for the last 8+ years.
Get fucked, liberal. Enjoy the trump presidency, you earned the fascism.
Maybe if you came at people with not-being-a-huge-asshole they’d be more inclined to actually see some value in your words. All I got from you is misplaced rage, so you can yourself get thoroughly fucked.
Ps. Libertarianism is reserved solely for stupid people who find themselves to be very smart
You obviously don’t know what libertarian socialism is nor anarcho communism (I’m somewhere between the two related concepts).
Libertarian is the opposite of authoritarian, which is quite rich when you call someone who’s against authoritarianism a tankie. The Libertarian party in America is a fucking joke and not related to left wing libertarianism at all. It’s essentially a party of fuck you I got mine, but gay people and weed are cool.
And in typical liberal fashion when you can’t win an argument you resort to name calling and when that doesn’t work you bitch and moan about tone policing.
The left is unified in one regard: telling liberals who led us into fascism to get fucked. cry about it liberal. Aren’t you supposed to be marching around with your stupid signs and pussy hats now that trump got re-elected? Shouldn’t you be donating to the ReSiStAnCe? (who’s “leaders” are currently slobbing on trumps knob because they’re class traitors)
Where’s the vote blue no matter who crowd? Why aren’t they putting their money where their mouth is and having their own January 6th? I thought trump was the next hitler. Where’s the fight liberals? Is it hiding where y’all promised to “push biden to the left”?
Bunch of useless sheep, the lot of you. Go ahead and roll over for the fascists because politeness and protecting institutions matters more to you than protecting minorities like myself from the wrath of the christofascists.