Russia has halted an unprecedented wartime deal that allows grain to flow from Ukraine to countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia where hunger is a growing threat and high food prices have pushed people into poverty.
Something around 80 percent of russians actually support Russian imperialistic goals. You can’t exactly pity them at this point. The protests were almost non existant in Russia.
Even if Putin drops down tommorow, it’s likely that the whole Russia expansion desire remains. Shit even Navalny doesn’t want to drop occupied Georgia.
Those polls you got your source from are actually polls done by state-run polling facilities. of course poeple are going to say what the state wants to hear. here’s a video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uQCNjIHeqU
Btw, by saying that “80% of Russians support this war”, you’re spreading Russian state propaganda.
And of course protests in Russia died down, people get jailed for like 10-15 years in prison if they protest, so by fear of getting jailed, protestors stop. it isn’t pretty but it’s how the system works.
These stats are more or less what is reported in my country. Can’t fact check everything, since it’s more or less the first time it got some shade.
Most pro-russian populus here also support Putin and find Ukrainians as nazis, so this didn’t seem far fetched.
Seeing different level of protests in Russia (against the war) and in Belarus (against Lukashenko) does show that participation was/is quite little. Even before the war, there were larger protests after Navalny.
There were a few Russians I can deeply respect and can call good russians, but they are the minority sadly. For example Ruslan Zizin.
Where do those stats come from? The stats I have found are significantly lower than that. It is also important to note that Russians who are against Putin and the war are far less likely to respond to a survey asking them about the war. In the survey I found, only 18% of citizens surveyed that were against Putin felt comfortable sharing this. It’s not at all unlikely that many were too scared to say they were against the war.
It feels you are heavily oversimplifying this to support your beliefs. Even if it were true that most Russians supported the war, many of them are faced with constant propaganda, and it would not be entirely fair to contribute this to any moral failing.
He’s parroting Russian state-led polls, which many people in Russia either just hang up because they just don’t want to answer, or say what the state wants to hear. You can see how lopsided this becomes, with many people just saying yes because they don’t want to be jailed for opposing the government. Even if some people do have the guts to say no, the votes saying yes will overshadow them massively.
And ironically by that guy spreading that poll and notion around, he’s spreading Russian propaganda.
I’m not saying or suggesting moral failing. Just saying that most of them are indoctrinated to a fault. Russians that ran from mobilization is protesting in a way, although a lot still have the same problem of “Russia big, Russia Strong”.
The real problem is that there are desires for neo-colonialism, and imperialism in almost every Russian. They grew up with that. It’s all they know. They can’t be trusted. They are incompatible with big chunk of EU.
Replace russian with jews and think about how your comment sounds again.
Of course it’s not like all russians are against this war, both because of propaganda and the imperialism in the culture (though again that’s very perpetuated by propaganda). That doesn’t mean all of them support it, the numbers are also definitely not actually 80%, and even if they were 80% i can’t put into words how fucked up it is to discriminate against the other 20%, almost 30 million people, just because you perceive the majority as being bad.
Considering the jews argument, there are reasons why I wouldn’t be next to them also cough Palestine cough. To be far I rather there were no aggressor states in the global arena, alas this is way above my pay grade.
Discrimination against a single person is much different then to discriminate against an aggressive country, where you much rather they didn’t occupy you just to protect themselves from big spooky HATO.
Oh I fully support discriminating against russia as a country and sanctioning them to hell. That’s very different from blaming some random russian living abroad (or even in russia) without knowing anything about their personal stance.
Just because i wouldn’t want to live next to israel doesn’t mean I have any issues with some random jew living in my country, and frankly the entire train of thought that leads you from jews to immediately mean israel feels like the exact same bullshit as your original argument, I neither mentioned nor implied anything about the country.
It seems we’re on the same page, except I’m retarded at communicating. My main point is that I’m against a country that is aggressive toward neighbours. Sorry about that.
People who enable that is also at fault, but I can’t blame them being immoral or evil since they are victims of circumstance, just like the Nazis.
Something around 80 percent of russians actually support Russian imperialistic goals. You can’t exactly pity them at this point. The protests were almost non existant in Russia.
Even if Putin drops down tommorow, it’s likely that the whole Russia expansion desire remains. Shit even Navalny doesn’t want to drop occupied Georgia.
Those polls you got your source from are actually polls done by state-run polling facilities. of course poeple are going to say what the state wants to hear. here’s a video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uQCNjIHeqU
Btw, by saying that “80% of Russians support this war”, you’re spreading Russian state propaganda.
And of course protests in Russia died down, people get jailed for like 10-15 years in prison if they protest, so by fear of getting jailed, protestors stop. it isn’t pretty but it’s how the system works.
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These stats are more or less what is reported in my country. Can’t fact check everything, since it’s more or less the first time it got some shade. Most pro-russian populus here also support Putin and find Ukrainians as nazis, so this didn’t seem far fetched.
Seeing different level of protests in Russia (against the war) and in Belarus (against Lukashenko) does show that participation was/is quite little. Even before the war, there were larger protests after Navalny.
There were a few Russians I can deeply respect and can call good russians, but they are the minority sadly. For example Ruslan Zizin.
Gary Kasparov too
Where do those stats come from? The stats I have found are significantly lower than that. It is also important to note that Russians who are against Putin and the war are far less likely to respond to a survey asking them about the war. In the survey I found, only 18% of citizens surveyed that were against Putin felt comfortable sharing this. It’s not at all unlikely that many were too scared to say they were against the war.
It feels you are heavily oversimplifying this to support your beliefs. Even if it were true that most Russians supported the war, many of them are faced with constant propaganda, and it would not be entirely fair to contribute this to any moral failing.
He’s parroting Russian state-led polls, which many people in Russia either just hang up because they just don’t want to answer, or say what the state wants to hear. You can see how lopsided this becomes, with many people just saying yes because they don’t want to be jailed for opposing the government. Even if some people do have the guts to say no, the votes saying yes will overshadow them massively.
And ironically by that guy spreading that poll and notion around, he’s spreading Russian propaganda.
I’m not saying or suggesting moral failing. Just saying that most of them are indoctrinated to a fault. Russians that ran from mobilization is protesting in a way, although a lot still have the same problem of “Russia big, Russia Strong”.
The real problem is that there are desires for neo-colonialism, and imperialism in almost every Russian. They grew up with that. It’s all they know. They can’t be trusted. They are incompatible with big chunk of EU.
Replace russian with jews and think about how your comment sounds again.
Of course it’s not like all russians are against this war, both because of propaganda and the imperialism in the culture (though again that’s very perpetuated by propaganda). That doesn’t mean all of them support it, the numbers are also definitely not actually 80%, and even if they were 80% i can’t put into words how fucked up it is to discriminate against the other 20%, almost 30 million people, just because you perceive the majority as being bad.
Considering the jews argument, there are reasons why I wouldn’t be next to them also cough Palestine cough. To be far I rather there were no aggressor states in the global arena, alas this is way above my pay grade.
Discrimination against a single person is much different then to discriminate against an aggressive country, where you much rather they didn’t occupy you just to protect themselves from big spooky HATO.
Oh I fully support discriminating against russia as a country and sanctioning them to hell. That’s very different from blaming some random russian living abroad (or even in russia) without knowing anything about their personal stance.
Just because i wouldn’t want to live next to israel doesn’t mean I have any issues with some random jew living in my country, and frankly the entire train of thought that leads you from jews to immediately mean israel feels like the exact same bullshit as your original argument, I neither mentioned nor implied anything about the country.
It seems we’re on the same page, except I’m retarded at communicating. My main point is that I’m against a country that is aggressive toward neighbours. Sorry about that.
People who enable that is also at fault, but I can’t blame them being immoral or evil since they are victims of circumstance, just like the Nazis.
All good, text communication with long reply delays is hard. Have a great day!