Hello World,

following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we’re primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don’t consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.

Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.

We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don’t review each individual report or moderator action unless they’re specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.

We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn’t allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins’ criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.

We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.

  • @finitebanjo
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    13 days ago

    The bill was originally a single payer system but couldn’t get through the senate without more votes.

    • @inv3r510n
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      13 days ago

      Because of DEMOCRAT Joe Lieberman.

      • @finitebanjo
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        Joe Leiberman died at 82 in 2013 so it sounds like your worries are behind you. Every single republican also voted no before and after the changes.

        • @inv3r510n
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          2 days ago

          And single payer died with him. And the next time it comes up there will conveniently be another democrat to act as the fall guy and tank the legislation. Always.

          You dumb liberals don’t understand that the system is working exactly as intended. there will be no change, just a carrot dangled in front of you clowns for decades.

          Downvote me all you want you stupid fucking brainwashed liberals.

          • @finitebanjo
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            02 days ago

            Lmao, Single Payer died with Democrats and Independents never getting 60 votes again, because people are stupid enough to vote against them.

            • @inv3r510n
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              2 days ago

              Go ahead and rewrite history. Fucking libs.

              A senator from Connecticut, the insurance capital of the world, became the industry’s go-to guy. Insurers had spent years investing in Sen. Joe Lieberman, a former Democrat-turned-Independent. During the reform debate, the watchdog group Public Campaign Action Fund, (now called EveryVoice), called Lieberman an “insurance puppet,”noting that insurers had contributed nearly half a million dollars to his campaigns over the years.

              The Democrats needed Lieberman’s vote to get reform passed, and insurers knew it. Shortly before the Senate was set to vote on the bill, Lieberman said he would vote for the bill only if the public option was stripped out.

              https://publicintegrity.org/health/elimination-of-public-option-threw-consumers-to-the-insurance-wolves/

              LIBERALS CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF

              • @finitebanjo
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                02 days ago

                1 82 year old Senator who died in 2013 (and every single Republican)