• KalciferOP
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    -12 days ago

    […] I presume we don’t want every private citizen to be making phone calls to verify every claim they come across in social media […]

    Can you clarify exactly what you are referring to here?

    • MudMan
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      12 days ago

      Well, a journalist would often be expected to get in touch with a source directly, which is not feasible if we’re all doing it.

      I’ll grant you, it very often doesn’t happen, but still.

      • KalciferOP
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        12 days ago

        Well, a journalist would often be expected to get in touch with a source directly, which is not feasible if we’re all doing it.

        Are you saying that journalism only deals in novel information?

        • MudMan
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          12 days ago

          No. Not sure how you get that from the quote.

          • KalciferOP
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            121 hours ago

            Let me try to clarify my thinking:

            You stated this:

            […] I presume we don’t want every private citizen to be making phone calls to verify every claim they come across in social media […]

            You, then, clarified that:

            […] a journalist would often be expected to get in touch with a source directly, which is not feasible if we’re all doing it.

            If you are referring to the original root source (assuming that it’s, for example, a conversation with someone), to me, that reads like you are saying that a journalist can’t cite the report by another journalist who first interviewed that source (ie novel information), and that each journalist needs to independently interview the source themselves in a novel way.

            • MudMan
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              119 hours ago

              No, but most original reports would be expected to in fact reach out to a primary source, and fact-checking them would often require the same thing.

              That doesn’t need to be novel. Verifying a source or a piece of information often just requires reaching out to a primary source to have them confirm the second-hand report that is available elsewhere. Not all journalism is built by aggregating other reports, the process needs to start somewhere. And you can’t just take the fact that a source is mentioned as a guarantee of accuracy, you have to verify information.

              This is, as I said, a full time job for a reason. Many corners are cut in the modern day of endless news cycles, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t require work to do properly.

              • KalciferOP
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                15 hours ago

                […] This is, as I said, a full time job for a reason. […]

                I mean, I would say only if one wants to do it continuously — I suppose it depends on how you are defining “full time job” in this context.

              • KalciferOP
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                15 hours ago

                […] Many corners are cut in the modern day of endless news cycles, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t require work to do properly.

                I agree.

              • KalciferOP
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                15 hours ago

                […] That doesn’t need to be novel. Verifying a source or a piece of information often just requires reaching out to a primary source to have them confirm the second-hand report that is available elsewhere. Not all journalism is built by aggregating other reports, the process needs to start somewhere. And you can’t just take the fact that a source is mentioned as a guarantee of accuracy, you have to verify information. […]

                I feel like this could be self-limiting — once enough independent verifications have been completed and released, the collection of them should reach a point where its deemed unnecessary to further prove its veracity. I think it would be akin to meta-analysis.