• @[email protected]
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    421 day ago

    Been wandering if greed/power is actually the Great Filter of the Fermi paradox looking at the world we live in. The “evils” just keep getting worse…

    • @SmoothOperator
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      31 day ago

      Life is a lot less brutal today than it was 200 years ago, though.

      • @[email protected]
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        191 day ago

        Wait for the environmental changes and the mass extinction event to break your knees because you’re overdue on your vig

        • @SmoothOperator
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          423 hours ago

          I’m not saying the “evils” won’t get worse in the future, just saying that for a long time they’ve actually been lessened dramatically.

          We can acknowledge that things have been getting better for a long time, and work to keep that going for the future, without diminishing or downplaying the serious issues we face today.

          • @orclev
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            823 hours ago

            Things haven’t been getting better, we’ve just gotten a lot better at deferring the negative consequences of our actions. In many cases entire generations can go by now without having to suffer the consequences of their actions, but those consequences are still coming.

            • @SmoothOperator
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              323 hours ago

              As mentioned elsewhere, global child and infant mortality has gone from around 50% to around 5%. That counts as an example of something getting a lot better in my book.

              But fair if that’s not what you mean. What would better look like for you?

              • @orclev
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                317 hours ago

                Massive reduction in greenhouse gas emissions and pollution in general, massive reduction in both poverty and homelessness (ideally homelessness would be eliminated, there’s literally nothing stopping that from happening), access to healthcare as a fundamental human right, and massive reduction in wealth inequality would be a good start. On top of that we need better democracies (nothing has fundamentally improved on that front in hundreds of years), and equal protection of rights and access to justice for everyone, not just for the rich, those with the “right” color of skin and who happen to believe in the “right” delusion.

                The EU has done a bit for a lot of these points in theory but the execution in many cases has been sloppy, haphazard, and generally ineffective. The rest of the world is looking a lot worse and in many cases is actively regressing. While individual countries at various points in time have seen improvements in individual areas in many cases those improvements were short lived as the various elements of humanity that oppose progress for selfish reasons chip away at and eventually destroy these small gains.

                Our science, technology, and medical knowledge do constantly improve, but when all of that is then used for warfare and squeezing profit out of the suffering and misfortune of others the net effect is negative.

                It seems like it’s almost a law of nature that for every gain and improvement humanity makes in one area, we must have an equal negative impact in another.

      • @grue
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        424 hours ago

        You say that as someone rich enough to be posting on Lemmy and therefore probably part of the global 1%, or close to it. Remember that the worldwide median household income is still only around $3,000/year.

      • @m4m4m4m4
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        41 day ago

        But most of its “brutal-ness” of contemporary life is not about natural disasters, diseases or circumstances that go way beyond our reach.

        It’s because us humanity. We (stilñ) are brutal and cruel and unforgiving and relentless.

        And we have the courage of calling ourselves “civilization”.

          • @m4m4m4m4
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            421 hours ago

            Uhhh pretty sure we haven’t defeated brutality. At all. If you don’t believe me just ask Palestinians, the Uyghurs, inmigrants.

            Most of what you call “civilization” has been build thanks to wars.

            • @SmoothOperator
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              220 hours ago

              Not all brutality is defeated, but if you consider children dying a brutal thing, we have significantly lessened the brutality, and at a scale much greater than the tragedies of the Palestinians and other persecuted peoples.

              Some of civilization is built with compassion, understanding and collaboration. Possibly even most. We can celebrate and emulate those victories without belittling the suffering still happening.

    • cakeofhonor
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      123 hours ago

      I was thinking of this recently too. Even if there was life out there, maybe they’re just watching to see if we can make it past the Great Filter or not and destroy ourselves.