Yeah because it absolutely has to be either of these two. If I’m against murdered being picked, that means I’m for Trump. Flawless logic you got there.
Yeah, because if I’m saying that a murdered shouldn’t be picked as the person of the year, the logical conclusion there is that the pick should be Trump instead. Can you be more disingenuine?
While you didn’t explicitly say that Trump was chosen. Since the conversation is about “it shouldn’t be Trump, it should be Luigi”. The natural flow of conversation is that if you say “it shouldn’t be Luigi” then it, by default, should be Trump.
I didn’t say it shouldn’t be Luigi, I said it shouldn’t be a murderer. Anyone with even a hint of intellectual honesty can then reason that if I’m against a murderer being picked then I’m probably against a rapist, racist, compulsive liar and an aspiring dictator as well.
That cartoon isn’t about who Trump has killed. That’s who the capitalist healthcare system that predated him killed. He just didn’t do anything about it.
“Deaths that result from bureaucracy are murders just like deaths that result from weapon use”
It’s true that this cartoon was specifically made in response to Luigi’s case and is intended to represent Brian Thompson. But I think it can be applied more widely.
Mate, we live in a world where it is socially acceptable to refuse life-saving treatment and medication if it’s deemed as not being worth it for their bottom line - it’s essentially legal murder. We live in a world where billionaires get to decide whether our lives are worth it to them. A world where billionaires are systematically taking away your rights, your freedoms, your comfort, your money…but because it’s done slow enough no one freaks out too much.
The guy that finally decided to fight back should be heralded as a fucking hero.
Of all the issues we’re facing right now, this is one of the most clear-cut: he’s a murderer, and he will be convicted as one. There’s no room for ifs or buts. Even if one believes his motives were pure, there should be no doubt that this is not how political issues are solved. Violence has never been, nor should it ever be, the answer.
A world where political disagreements are resolved through assassinations is not one anyone wants to live in. It’s dangerously naive to think future acts of violence like this will only target people you consider villains. No, they’ll eventually target your heroes too - because your heroes are someone else’s villains.
Trump is guilty of a whole laundry list of crimes, some actually worse than murder. There was plenty of room for ifs or buts, and his motives weren’t pure at all.
Selective justice isn’t justice. American oligarchs are not subject to the law, so they should also not be protected by it. That’s what it means to be an outlaw.
He is indeed a murder, but he hasn’t been treated like one. Most murders get a brief investigation or a few dedicated officers - this murderer received millions of dollars in police time to track them down. Most murderers receive minimal press coverage (i.e. the mass shooting shortly after this killing) this murder’s trial will be publicized and politicized, he will be “made an example of” because someone committed economic vigilantism and that is unacceptable to our wealthy class.
Murder is a bad and I’d much prefer peaceful means. But we are where we are and it’s going to be a fucking circus.
That’s not the point. For TIME to do that, they’re more or less stating that we’re already living in that world, and have for the past year. Just wait.
featuring a person, group, idea, or object that “for better or for worse … has done the most to influence the events of the year”.
It shows how out of touch Time is that they aren’t picking Luigi.
That would be assuming it’s him. Imagine the killer turned out to he someone else.
A murdered picked as the person of the year? That’s the world you want to live in?
No youre right lets have a convicted felon, rapist, etc etc. who everyone already knows about and won’t change a thing for the better instead.
Serial cheater, liar, bigot, etc etc
Yeah because it absolutely has to be either of these two. If I’m against murdered being picked, that means I’m for Trump. Flawless logic you got there.
A rapist felon picked as person of the year? That’s the world you currently live in.
And replacing him with a murderer is better how, exactly?
Dude killed a mass muderer. He did the right thing.
No one but you said that.
Except they did.
A rapist was picked as the person of the year? You seriously draw the line at murder but not rape?
Yeah, because if I’m saying that a murdered shouldn’t be picked as the person of the year, the logical conclusion there is that the pick should be Trump instead. Can you be more disingenuine?
While you didn’t explicitly say that Trump was chosen. Since the conversation is about “it shouldn’t be Trump, it should be Luigi”. The natural flow of conversation is that if you say “it shouldn’t be Luigi” then it, by default, should be Trump.
I didn’t say it shouldn’t be Luigi, I said it shouldn’t be a murderer. Anyone with even a hint of intellectual honesty can then reason that if I’m against a murderer being picked then I’m probably against a rapist, racist, compulsive liar and an aspiring dictator as well.
Then your reply should have been along the lines of “Picking a murderer instead of a rapist isn’t better”.
FYI, they have picked a mass murderer more than once in the past. Being person of the year isn’t necessarily an honor.
Trump has killed far more people than Luigi
That cartoon isn’t about who Trump has killed. That’s who the capitalist healthcare system that predated him killed. He just didn’t do anything about it.
This is who Trump has killed:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/
The main message I get from the cartoon is.
“Deaths that result from bureaucracy are murders just like deaths that result from weapon use”
It’s true that this cartoon was specifically made in response to Luigi’s case and is intended to represent Brian Thompson. But I think it can be applied more widely.
How’s this an argument against what I’m saying?
Why dont you check out Time’s person of the year 1938
Mate, we live in a world where it is socially acceptable to refuse life-saving treatment and medication if it’s deemed as not being worth it for their bottom line - it’s essentially legal murder. We live in a world where billionaires get to decide whether our lives are worth it to them. A world where billionaires are systematically taking away your rights, your freedoms, your comfort, your money…but because it’s done slow enough no one freaks out too much.
The guy that finally decided to fight back should be heralded as a fucking hero.
It is the world we live in. This trial is going to seriously shake up America.
Of all the issues we’re facing right now, this is one of the most clear-cut: he’s a murderer, and he will be convicted as one. There’s no room for ifs or buts. Even if one believes his motives were pure, there should be no doubt that this is not how political issues are solved. Violence has never been, nor should it ever be, the answer.
A world where political disagreements are resolved through assassinations is not one anyone wants to live in. It’s dangerously naive to think future acts of violence like this will only target people you consider villains. No, they’ll eventually target your heroes too - because your heroes are someone else’s villains.
Trump is guilty of a whole laundry list of crimes, some actually worse than murder. There was plenty of room for ifs or buts, and his motives weren’t pure at all.
Selective justice isn’t justice. American oligarchs are not subject to the law, so they should also not be protected by it. That’s what it means to be an outlaw.
He is indeed a murder, but he hasn’t been treated like one. Most murders get a brief investigation or a few dedicated officers - this murderer received millions of dollars in police time to track them down. Most murderers receive minimal press coverage (i.e. the mass shooting shortly after this killing) this murder’s trial will be publicized and politicized, he will be “made an example of” because someone committed economic vigilantism and that is unacceptable to our wealthy class.
Murder is a bad and I’d much prefer peaceful means. But we are where we are and it’s going to be a fucking circus.
If only all of human history didn’t disagree with you.
That’s not the point. For TIME to do that, they’re more or less stating that we’re already living in that world, and have for the past year. Just wait.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year
Yes it is. Please tell me the world you would want to live in please?
One where murderer isn’t picked as the person of the year.
So that’s really the only stipulation for the world you want to live in. Really?