• @jordanlund
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    47 hours ago

    277 deaths in 25 years. 11 people per year.

    30% of Americans own guns.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

    The population in 2000 was 282.2 million people, so roughly 84,660,000 gun owners.

    11/84,660,000 = such a small number, you need to represent it with scientific notation. By 2024 it’s even smaller. 11/100,470,000.

    No piece of technology is going to prevent such an edge case of human stupidity, if it weren’t the magazine issue, it would be something else.

    That being said, there’s another preventative measure, my first gun had a little red pop-up when a round was in the chamber:

    There was also a red marker if the safety was off:

    • @[email protected]OP
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      26 hours ago

      It doesn’t really matter if it’s an edge case or not. 277 people died because of it, many children. That’s not ok. I understand that people will go to great lengths to defend (often illogically) what they feel is their right, but your rights end where someone else’s rights begin. 277 lives, even if it’s over 25 years, is not worth an unsecured bullet in the chamber. It’s not even worth one life.

      • @jordanlund
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        86 hours ago

        277 people… over 25 years. It’s statistically insignificant on a population of 300 million people.

        By point of comparison:

        https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2023/Nearly-Half-of-Incidents-with-Kids-and-Corded-Window-Coverings-Resulted-in-Death-GoCordless-to-Save-Lives

        “On average, about nine children under 5 years of age die every year from strangling in window blinds, shades, draperies and other window coverings with cords.”

        So 225 over 25 years. Again, not statistically significant.

        • @[email protected]OP
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          -26 hours ago

          A child dying from something that could have been prevented cannot be dismissed as a simple statistical insignificance. That’s the most cynical thing I’ve heard in a while.

          • @jordanlund
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            56 hours ago

            Individual tragedies are never going to be prevented. You might as well mandate kids exist in giant hamster balls 24/7.

            Oh, but then they might suffocate.

            • @[email protected]OP
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              25 hours ago

              It’s perfectly preventable in other countries. In the western world, this is pretty much a uniquely American experience.

              • @[email protected]
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                35 hours ago

                We should ban seat belts, then. Theres a non-zero chance that they could trap you in a car in a crash leading to your death. Never mind that the chance is statistically insignificant.

                Also, do other countries mandate this safety feature?

                • @[email protected]OP
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                  5 hours ago

                  Seat belts are designed specifically to save people’s lives. In action, they prevent a lot more deaths than they cause. Firearms are designed specifically to take people’s lives. In action, they cause a lot more deaths than they prevent.

              • @jordanlund
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                15 hours ago

                You can’t undo the 2nd amendment, there are over 400 million guns in the country.

                The fact that there are only 11 deaths per year on a population of 400 million guns shows just how insignificant the problem is.

                It’s not even a “1 in a million” kind of thing.

                It’s a 1 in 36 million kind of thing.

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                  34 hours ago

                  It seems Trump has no problem advocating for undoing the 14th Amendment to ban birthright citizenship. If he does that, I see no problem undoing the 2nd Amendment.