Cross-posted from “If I can’t dance, it’s not my revolution” by @[email protected] in !dbzer0.com@dbzer0.com
I see tankies keep trying to argue with people about “Actually Existing Socialist” states like USSR and China and try to argue with me or others about how “they were good actually”. It’s bad enough when most of their arguments are whataboutism, but it grinds my gears when I hear then prattle on about all the statistically significant material improvements the life of the people received. It’s like listening to a terminally-liberal prattle on about how “statistically, the life quality actually increased under capitalism”.
Why is this bothering me so much? Because tankies completely suppress the freedom aspects of those states. Sure the improvements in life quality in those nations improved compared to the feudal/agrarian societies they had before, much like liberal capitalism also improved those same metrics.
But the freedom of the populace barely improved improved whatsoever because that freedom is anathema to authoritarian regimes. When anarchists talk about our ideal society, we mean both positive and negative freedom together together. It’s not enough if your health expectancy is increased and infant mortality is reduced, if you have to constantly fear the secret police knocking on your door. It’s not enough to have food on your plate, when the state determines what you can create and where you can work. It’s not enough to get a free car and internet, if your family member got shipped to the concentration camp for criticizing the movement leaders online.
Tankies explicitly avoid this. They are desperate to argue that “authoritarianism is not a thing actually”, hilariously and endlessly promoting the worst socialist essay ever written to justify this. But authoritarianism is very much the crux of the problem here. A society with a hierarchical structure like capitalism or marxism-leninism (i.e. state capitalism) can never be good. It might be better than other states, but it will only get worse and worse as power concentrates to fewer hands and the grip of authority tightens the more control slips through their fingers.
We keep seeing this historically both in liberal and ML states. Clearly material quality of life is not enough to justify the system, or even be stable long-term, when actual human liberty is the sacrifice for it.
That’s not what “theft” means
The imagery used for the training data isn’t licensed to be used as such. It’s stolen.
Not what “stealing” means either. Also I will point out this instance is both pro-piracy and pro-genai and we shit on copyrights
We’re democratizing the end of culture with this one
Stealing from big companies like movie studios? Whatever. Stealing from the working class? Not so great. People should 1. Have the right to not have their work used as training data and 2. If they agree to be used as training data, be compensated.
Again, not what “stealing” means. And I don’t recognize anyone’s rights to tell me what I can do with the content they’re sharing with me. Copyrights is a shitty state monopoly, not a natural law.
And so long as we exist under this shit ass system we shouldn’t be stealing from working class artists. It is theft.
It is not theft. No artist lost money because my little article had a GenAI image. Get some goddamn perspective.
They’re not only losing $ they’re also having their work reproduced in a way they don’t support.
Just because it’s cents doesn’t mean it’s “no money”.
I didn’t post my artwork online just to get ripped off by AI and tech bros who see nothing wrong with stealing work from artists.
Not stealing and no artist would have gotten a cent from me whether I had no art or genai art. Your arguments are the same copyright-addled shite pirates have been hearing for decades and yet artists are still here.
Rut roh gaming piracy