honestly im not sure why anyone would want to for the dems at this point. biden had a pretty tough skin but the left rheteric I see tends to be pretty fair weather. this last one throws me for a loop. omg we gotta change to this young vibrant woman who is just going to be the greatest thing. ugh you lost because you ran a bad election and you did not do this right or that right its all your fault. its like heros to zeros to heros. you see the same with like bernie. I feel the dem base is becoming a party of the moment but we need to be looking at the big picture which is simply that the republicans only work in the interest of the rich and are batshit crazy to boot.
I worry about the consistent lack of raising up future candidates. A lot of opinion pieces keep popping up about how the Dems have learned nothing from Biden/Harris, and I tend to agree. We have the same party leadership after a series of failed campaigns. Having Biden win as the non-Trump candidate worked once as a lucky fluke, but who’s up next?
We know what leaders Reps are working on. Vance, Desantis, Ramaswamy, Gabbard. All relatively young people to get molded and improved to take eventual leadership roles. But who are the Dem equivalents?
It feels like no plan is in place. Declaring yourself to be the high road is obviously not enough. Whether it is policy, messaging, or both, what exists is not doing it. Even what is being accomplished is far too conservative for many, especially dealing with the environment, immigration, the economy, and foreign policy.
I think Biden did a lot of good for the environment, one of my main concerns, but things like economic messaging, Gaza, and foot dragging in Ukraine still really ticked me off to put it nicely.
Starting a third party seems like building a battleship from scratch when we could mutiny on the one we’re already on like the Tea Party to MAGA movement did to traditional conservatives. But we need to get our asses in gear as from the ever creeping election cycle means we need a candidate and a plan in 2 years.
Who that is though doesn’t even feel on my radar though, and that is a serious issue.
I really don’t see how messaging around the economy could work. It was all their but most people just don’t get how it works. Do you think biden dragged his feet with ukraine. I feel like he was dragged down by congress especially tying things to gaza which of course got him flak from his base.
They had messaging and lots of it, but for the majority of the people that don’t follow politics (or don’t follow them very well!) the message was either not in line with the base’s perception of that reality or some found it downright insulting. I’m doing ok for myself, but even I had to remind myself constantly that things were getting better, even though I could feel real squeezing in price of goods.
I feel everyone has dragged their feet with Ukraine. I think since it seems Russia’s might has been exposed as a paper tiger, that we have been sleeping on an opportunity to make life better for millions of people in the former Soviet republics and in Russia proper. I’m not one for forced regime change, but Putin brought this one on himself, and I’d like to see Russia and the former Soviet lands have a real chance to modernize and open more doors to the rest of the world.
Biden seemed much more willing to aid Isreal than Ukraine, in part because the right supports Israel for cuckoo reasons, but in the opportunities I heard him speak on Israel, they seemed to have his personal support, not just diplomatically. I dislike many of our Middle East alliances, but I don’t really want to get too deep into my takes on WWI and WWII treaties. Stirring up more conflict is not the way I wish to see things continue though. People need to address past and present wrongs. How we achieve it, much like everyone else, I have no clue, but the present situation is absolutely not it.
I mean I feel its best to concentrate on present and then past by proximity. Technically israel existence is due to peoples perception about the past. I hate the us being the policeman of the world thing, but im not sure I would not have wanted the sorta peace it had. I really really wish though that we had limited ourselves to the atlantic and pacific ocean but just insisted that other countries deal with things passed there. Basically stay out of the middle east. including the saudis.
In a way I agree, but the Allies promised things in the exchange for cooperation against the Ottomans, and that isn’t the kind of thing people forget, and is the start of a lot of the problems ever since. Plus creating the state of Israel was not an altruistic thing, it was spearheaded by many antisemites who were just as willing to dump them off in Madagascar until the Middle East fell into their laps.
But I try to avoid wading into too controversial territory since I’m too lazy to use an alt, so I’m going to stop here and revert back to my original pro Lina Khan position! 😜
yeah and I get that. People tend to look at history from a very simplistic lens and don’t see the way political decisions sorta limit later ones. Heck people see current political things like they are so easy and not impacted by history and alliances and treaties and such.
It’s a real investment most people don’t find necessary to learn all this stuff. Even having the knowledge really doesn’t give you that much to actually accomplish doing anything with it.
Like most things, it can be looked at in micro or macro levels. There are the specific current events, but we didn’t get here from nowhere, there is a rich history of previous events and decisions and the recollection of those events is different for every participant.
honestly im not sure why anyone would want to for the dems at this point. biden had a pretty tough skin but the left rheteric I see tends to be pretty fair weather. this last one throws me for a loop. omg we gotta change to this young vibrant woman who is just going to be the greatest thing. ugh you lost because you ran a bad election and you did not do this right or that right its all your fault. its like heros to zeros to heros. you see the same with like bernie. I feel the dem base is becoming a party of the moment but we need to be looking at the big picture which is simply that the republicans only work in the interest of the rich and are batshit crazy to boot.
I worry about the consistent lack of raising up future candidates. A lot of opinion pieces keep popping up about how the Dems have learned nothing from Biden/Harris, and I tend to agree. We have the same party leadership after a series of failed campaigns. Having Biden win as the non-Trump candidate worked once as a lucky fluke, but who’s up next?
We know what leaders Reps are working on. Vance, Desantis, Ramaswamy, Gabbard. All relatively young people to get molded and improved to take eventual leadership roles. But who are the Dem equivalents?
It feels like no plan is in place. Declaring yourself to be the high road is obviously not enough. Whether it is policy, messaging, or both, what exists is not doing it. Even what is being accomplished is far too conservative for many, especially dealing with the environment, immigration, the economy, and foreign policy.
I think Biden did a lot of good for the environment, one of my main concerns, but things like economic messaging, Gaza, and foot dragging in Ukraine still really ticked me off to put it nicely.
Starting a third party seems like building a battleship from scratch when we could mutiny on the one we’re already on like the Tea Party to MAGA movement did to traditional conservatives. But we need to get our asses in gear as from the ever creeping election cycle means we need a candidate and a plan in 2 years.
Who that is though doesn’t even feel on my radar though, and that is a serious issue.
I really don’t see how messaging around the economy could work. It was all their but most people just don’t get how it works. Do you think biden dragged his feet with ukraine. I feel like he was dragged down by congress especially tying things to gaza which of course got him flak from his base.
They had messaging and lots of it, but for the majority of the people that don’t follow politics (or don’t follow them very well!) the message was either not in line with the base’s perception of that reality or some found it downright insulting. I’m doing ok for myself, but even I had to remind myself constantly that things were getting better, even though I could feel real squeezing in price of goods.
I feel everyone has dragged their feet with Ukraine. I think since it seems Russia’s might has been exposed as a paper tiger, that we have been sleeping on an opportunity to make life better for millions of people in the former Soviet republics and in Russia proper. I’m not one for forced regime change, but Putin brought this one on himself, and I’d like to see Russia and the former Soviet lands have a real chance to modernize and open more doors to the rest of the world.
Biden seemed much more willing to aid Isreal than Ukraine, in part because the right supports Israel for cuckoo reasons, but in the opportunities I heard him speak on Israel, they seemed to have his personal support, not just diplomatically. I dislike many of our Middle East alliances, but I don’t really want to get too deep into my takes on WWI and WWII treaties. Stirring up more conflict is not the way I wish to see things continue though. People need to address past and present wrongs. How we achieve it, much like everyone else, I have no clue, but the present situation is absolutely not it.
I mean I feel its best to concentrate on present and then past by proximity. Technically israel existence is due to peoples perception about the past. I hate the us being the policeman of the world thing, but im not sure I would not have wanted the sorta peace it had. I really really wish though that we had limited ourselves to the atlantic and pacific ocean but just insisted that other countries deal with things passed there. Basically stay out of the middle east. including the saudis.
In a way I agree, but the Allies promised things in the exchange for cooperation against the Ottomans, and that isn’t the kind of thing people forget, and is the start of a lot of the problems ever since. Plus creating the state of Israel was not an altruistic thing, it was spearheaded by many antisemites who were just as willing to dump them off in Madagascar until the Middle East fell into their laps.
But I try to avoid wading into too controversial territory since I’m too lazy to use an alt, so I’m going to stop here and revert back to my original pro Lina Khan position! 😜
yeah and I get that. People tend to look at history from a very simplistic lens and don’t see the way political decisions sorta limit later ones. Heck people see current political things like they are so easy and not impacted by history and alliances and treaties and such.
It’s a real investment most people don’t find necessary to learn all this stuff. Even having the knowledge really doesn’t give you that much to actually accomplish doing anything with it.
Like most things, it can be looked at in micro or macro levels. There are the specific current events, but we didn’t get here from nowhere, there is a rich history of previous events and decisions and the recollection of those events is different for every participant.
Our system of government is also designed so that most people aren’t supposed to have to know about the intricacies of politics