• Victor
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    -32 days ago

    The image only works if the right always wins though?

    • @Ensign_Crab
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      82 days ago

      The “lesser evil” won in 2020. We didn’t move back to the left.

      • Victor
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        -52 days ago

        Are there more examples of this happening? One event isn’t a very good sample size… “IT DIDN’T WORK GUYS, SEE?!”, I mean, sure… But there are more circumstances and variables and conditions to an election lol.

        • @Ensign_Crab
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          42 days ago

          How many times do you want to move to the right and not back to the left? How many more times will it take to satisfy you?

          • Victor
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            -11 day ago

            I mean, as long as it’s a stable ratio, the whole concept in this post falls apart. What are the statistics on left/right leaning presidents throughout history?

            • @Ensign_Crab
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              11 day ago

              Does the rightward shift that has resulted in the “good” party supporting genocide indicate stability to you?

              • Victor
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                01 day ago

                It does not, but this happening for one election doesn’t prove an unstable ratio, or rate of change. You have to look at the historical pattern for that.

                I don’t think this is the problem of some sort of “phenomenon” of a left party becoming the right party because people are voting for the “lesser evil”. That makes no sense to begin with. If everyone voted for the lesser evil (the left), the lesser evil would not feel the need to take on some evil from the right to please the American people who are voting with their rectums, dropping straight up doo-doo in their ballot boxes. They would be able to just have sane politics. No? Otherwise, why are they doing some evil? And why is the right doing a shit-ton of evil? It’s because they are playing the American people for fools. Exploiting their culture of “protect our land of the fReE” and their “black or white” argumentation and “we vs them”, “good versus evil”, “no gray areas” small brain mentality.

                • @Ensign_Crab
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                  11 day ago

                  For one election?

                  Which of GWB’s rightward policies did Obama undo? Which of Reagan/Bush’s policies did Clinton undo?

                  You’re defending a rightward shift that has been going on for decades.

                  • Victor
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                    01 day ago

                    I think you’re misinterpreting and down voting based on that. I’m not defending anything. I just don’t believe this is some kind of theorem. It’s just a problem with politics in America.

                    And I don’t know enough to make any claims about the history. I’m merely saying we have to look at the history to make any claims. This type of theorem can’t be based on one election. That’s all I’m saying.

                    You seem to know more about policies and shit that I don’t know about (I’m European). So that’s very insightful, and interesting.

                    It’s a shame the American people are voting right and/or settling for a right-ified left, instead of just forming a better party with better politics. 🤷‍♂️

      • @[email protected]
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        Pray tell, how is strengthening unions & workers rights, forgiving student loans, not ‘left’? SMH

        • @Ensign_Crab
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          92 days ago

          Pray tell, how is strengthening unions & workers rights

          Strikebreaking and photo ops didn’t strengthen shit.

          forgiving student loans

          Was the only bright spot in his presidency.

          Now how was supporting a genocide “left?” I mean, it may be to your left. Maybe you want active participation?

          • @Uruanna
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            Strikebreaking and photo ops didn’t strengthen shit.

            Yeah, this one was wild. There was a massive strike, people thought the rail workers were finally gonna get good things, but Biden told everyone to fuck off back to work, and it turned out he negotiated some benefits in private, and everybody is praising him for this gift to workers. Completely ignoring how he pulverized the bargaining power of unions. The country must keep going, you can’t freeze everything, don’t you know!

            Unions are strong when they can impose themselves in the negotiations. Biden going over their head only conveys the message that the president is the dad and nothing is done if he doesn’t give his blessings. He showed that unions aren’t allowed to speak for themselves, and then he gave them some crumbs to make them shut the fuck up. But hey, things are better than they ever were! Most pro-union president ever.

              • @[email protected]
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                Ok I’ll try this again without calling you a c***: saying that X is is not responsible fo Y does not mean that you think that Y is good. In this case, nearly everyone in the US govt (regardless of party affiliation) has supported arms sales to Israel for as long as they’ve held the position. The fact that you think me pointing this out is equivalent to excusing or approving it surprises me, but then many single-issue individuals can get irrationally passionate on those issues, so I shouldn’t have been as surprised as I was I suppose.

            • @Ensign_Crab
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              52 days ago

              and the Biden administration did more to restrict sales than most

              Oh? Provide examples.

      • Victor
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        12 days ago

        Then please explain how this works. This image isn’t doing it for me.

        • Christer Enfors
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          If the republicans win, it goes further right. If the democrats win, it stays where it is. So the only movement is to the right, never left.

          • Victor
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            That simply explains what’s visible in the image, not whatsoever why.

            If the democrats win, it stays where it is.

            Like, why is this the general assumption?

            If this were true, there wouldn’t ever have been a democratic president, right? Except maybe once in the beginning?

              • Victor
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                11 day ago

                😐… where exactly did I lose you? Just asking “What?” doesn’t really help me to answer you. What is your actual question, please?