• @MutilationWave
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    22 days ago

    Just a small note that Al Gore did win the election. He got ratfucked by Roger Stone et al in Florida. The governor of Florida happened to be his opponent’s brother. And Gore folded like a card table with his high road Democrat bullshit.

    • @givesomefucks
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      21 day ago

      And Gore folded like a card table with his high road Democrat bullshit.

      Gore was told by the party they didn’t have his back, so it was down to him and his campaign that had just spent all it’s money.

      There 100% should have been a fight for it, although from what I recall it wasn’t 100% Gore did actually win it. There was 100% shady shit, but at least what was found out was legal shady shit.

      But Gore wasnt what the DNC wanted in a candidate anyways, and they were unwilling to spend the political capital on the fight. I think the literal capital too, they may have refused to pay for the recount?

      This has been looked into though:

      The results: The two major conclusions here are that Gore likely would have won a hand recount of the statewide overvotes and undervotes – which he never requested – while Bush likely would have won the hand recount of undervotes ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, although by a smaller margin than the certified 537 vote difference.

      https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/index.html

      So Gore could have won, but he didn’t challenge the right thing and still would have lost the recount that wasn’t completed

      But if the DNC had backed him like the RNC backs their candidate (regardless of who it is) they could have challenged both and Gore would have been the candidate.

      • @MutilationWave
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        21 day ago

        Good points. I don’t think the Republicans would have stopped the counts if they thought they were going to win. I’m firmly certain that he won, and they were tossing Gore votes during the hand count due to absolute bullshit. Remember hanging chads?

        • @givesomefucks
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          21 day ago

          I’m firmly certain that he won, and they were tossing Gore votes during the hand count due to absolute bullshit. Remember hanging chads?

          Did you read the link?

          The study, released in November 2001, took place over 10 months and cost nearly $1 million. The Washington Post explained, “153 field workers spent 6,500 hours describing every dimple, chad, erasure and relevant marking. Typists entered 17.5 million pieces of information into Chicago computers.”

          What makes you more confident in your opinion then what they found?

          Because this is who they had working on it:

          The players: A national media consortium – composed of CNN, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Tribune Company, The Washington Post, The Associated Press, The St. Petersburg Times, and The Palm Beach Post – paid for the National Opinion Research Center, or NORC, at the University of Chicago to review 175,010 disputed Florida ballots – 61,190 undervotes and 113,820 overvotes.

          And if you on your own are better than Al that, well, if you’re not already in auditing professionally then you need to be.

          • @MutilationWave
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            1 day ago

            Well I’m better than everybody so of course I’m better than all those hacks. Seriously though, thanks. I concede.