Nah. I’m not trying to fit in, which you seem to have conveniently ignored.
I could be wrong, but the evidence points to inflation being a result of the working class having more spending power. It means that no matter what gains the working class makes, the ruling class will take them back with interest.
If you think this is incorrect, feel free to say why.
You’re making it sound like wage growth always perfectly balances with inflation. It doesn’t. Regular people get fucked when wage growth falls behind price growth, but they benefit if wage growth outpaces inflation, which it sometimes does. This means that inflation is not some ever present gotcha that always keeps the people down. It’s one factor in the equation.
On another point, can you explain why you think inflation benefits the ruling class, and deflation benefits the working class? Because you never explained this which gives the appearance that it’s based entirely on “when prices go up, ruling class win,” which is not always the case.
you should go to China and ask average Chinese people about how they feel about their “cheap groceries”.
wealth inequality is a huge problem, and attribute it to inflation is naive. the rich has power in a capitalistic society, they will win no matter we are in an inflationary or deflationary economy. to think deflation will be good for the working people is very naive.
Wealth inequality exists in China, but is in most areas declining or rising at a slower rate than peer countries. The PRC relatively recently completed a decade-long poverty eradication campaign, to great results. China isn’t a wonderland, but it’s improving far more rapidly than practically anywhere else currently.
sure, but that is because of rigorous government policies that came out of a herculean effort to eradicate poverty, not because of deflation like the comment i was replying to is trying to claim. if you look like China’s inflation rate, it hovered ~2% for the past decade which is comparable to the US.
“In most areas” is a very big cheat on this data though. With a great deal of wealth concentrated in the 1%, you can’t just leave out the 1% as an outlier and say that aside from them, things are pretty equal.
China’s wealth inequality overall has skyrocketed and is staggering, both because of its growing number of explosively wealthy, and the utter impoverishment of a large part of the population.
You’re at least a decade out of date, extreme poverty has been eradicated even according to the world bank, and I am not excluding the 1% here. Working class salaries have risen dramatically, the disparity has risen but the real conditions for the overwhelming majority of people have dramatically improved. Disparity is a problem, yes, but it isn’t a simple one, I recommend the essay China Has Billionaires.
Overall, though, your notions are heavily outdated and data reflects that.
While it’s good data to see, I’m always suspicious of celebrating the fact that people have gone from earning $2 per day to $5 per day as “eradicating poverty.”
you should go to China and ask average Chinese people about how they feel about their “cheap groceries”.
Have you done this? What did they say?
wealth inequality is a huge problem, and attribute it to inflation is naive. the rich has power in a capitalistic society, they will win no matter we are in an inflationary or deflationary economy. to think deflation will be good for the working people is very naive.
You haven’t disproved my point about inflation being a tool for the ruling class to recoup the gains of the working class, which it is. You’ve just said “they will win no matter what and deflation is not good for working people” without explaining why.
Can you elaborate on why deflation is bad? Do you think inflation isn’t a result of workers having more money to spend and businesses raising prices to maximize profit?
I have. It was rent, not groceries, but same conversation. Their feedback was consistent. “In the past, the government covered this entirely, but now we have to pay a part.”
I asked how that works when they are employed by the government, technically. The government is how they earn money to pay for the thing the government used to pay for. How does this make sense?
Their answer: “In the past, the government covered this entirely, but now we have to pay a part.”
aren’t you doing the thing you are criticizing? because to me you are trying to sound like you know everything as well.
Yes that comment is 5% saying something and 95% shitting on unnamed people in an attempt to claim elite knowledge.
Nah. I’m not trying to fit in, which you seem to have conveniently ignored.
I could be wrong, but the evidence points to inflation being a result of the working class having more spending power. It means that no matter what gains the working class makes, the ruling class will take them back with interest.
If you think this is incorrect, feel free to say why.
You’re making it sound like wage growth always perfectly balances with inflation. It doesn’t. Regular people get fucked when wage growth falls behind price growth, but they benefit if wage growth outpaces inflation, which it sometimes does. This means that inflation is not some ever present gotcha that always keeps the people down. It’s one factor in the equation.
On another point, can you explain why you think inflation benefits the ruling class, and deflation benefits the working class? Because you never explained this which gives the appearance that it’s based entirely on “when prices go up, ruling class win,” which is not always the case.
you should go to China and ask average Chinese people about how they feel about their “cheap groceries”.
wealth inequality is a huge problem, and attribute it to inflation is naive. the rich has power in a capitalistic society, they will win no matter we are in an inflationary or deflationary economy. to think deflation will be good for the working people is very naive.
Wealth inequality exists in China, but is in most areas declining or rising at a slower rate than peer countries. The PRC relatively recently completed a decade-long poverty eradication campaign, to great results. China isn’t a wonderland, but it’s improving far more rapidly than practically anywhere else currently.
sure, but that is because of rigorous government policies that came out of a herculean effort to eradicate poverty, not because of deflation like the comment i was replying to is trying to claim. if you look like China’s inflation rate, it hovered ~2% for the past decade which is comparable to the US.
“In most areas” is a very big cheat on this data though. With a great deal of wealth concentrated in the 1%, you can’t just leave out the 1% as an outlier and say that aside from them, things are pretty equal.
China’s wealth inequality overall has skyrocketed and is staggering, both because of its growing number of explosively wealthy, and the utter impoverishment of a large part of the population.
You’re at least a decade out of date, extreme poverty has been eradicated even according to the world bank, and I am not excluding the 1% here. Working class salaries have risen dramatically, the disparity has risen but the real conditions for the overwhelming majority of people have dramatically improved. Disparity is a problem, yes, but it isn’t a simple one, I recommend the essay China Has Billionaires.
Overall, though, your notions are heavily outdated and data reflects that.
While it’s good data to see, I’m always suspicious of celebrating the fact that people have gone from earning $2 per day to $5 per day as “eradicating poverty.”
You can check the real wages and purchasing power parity, moreover more than doubling earnings is a large feat.
Could you point out the purchasing power data? It’s a 93 page report and I don’t see any heading on that in the table of contents.
Have you done this? What did they say?
You haven’t disproved my point about inflation being a tool for the ruling class to recoup the gains of the working class, which it is. You’ve just said “they will win no matter what and deflation is not good for working people” without explaining why.
Can you elaborate on why deflation is bad? Do you think inflation isn’t a result of workers having more money to spend and businesses raising prices to maximize profit?
I have. It was rent, not groceries, but same conversation. Their feedback was consistent. “In the past, the government covered this entirely, but now we have to pay a part.”
I asked how that works when they are employed by the government, technically. The government is how they earn money to pay for the thing the government used to pay for. How does this make sense?
Their answer: “In the past, the government covered this entirely, but now we have to pay a part.”