Never wanted so much to downvote something in my life. Capitalism has been riddled with issues and only just fixed itself with socialists solutions (regulating market, dismantling monopolies, social security, unemployment funds, stop segregation and abolish slavery, public services and housing…).
You’re living in a Battle Royale and thinking it’s how it should be because, heck, you got free candies and you can “survive” on them (that is before catching diabetes).
Lemmy likes to say bad implementations of socialism are not true socialism but in the same breath call this “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” capitalism.
Firstly, there’s a bunch of tankies on here who will pretend whatever the fuck a given fascist state is doing is somehow sincerely in aid of socialist aims as long as it has red on its flag, so you’re wrong about that.
Secondly, saying the problems of your “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” are due to capitalism shouldn’t be a problem because it’s true. Capitalism, through private ownership and the profit motive, intrinsically creates the incentive structures that turn capitalists into oligarchs.
This isn’t an argument, you’re just vaguely gesturing at imagined hypocrisy.
Secondly, saying the problems of your “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” are due to capitalism shouldn’t be a problem because it’s true.
Then Stalinism style authoritarianism is also due to socialism. Socialism, through the centralisation of power in the state intrinsically creates the incentive structures to turn Marxism into state authoritarianism.
Yeah nah. Any anarchist will tell you that centralisation of power in the state is not in fact an inherent trait of socialism. Statist socialists might think it’s ineffective, but it’s definitely possible to work towards communism by distributing power rather than concentrating it, and historical precedents for this do exist.
As much as you think you “live in socialism”, your complain will most likely come from autoritarianism, productivism and global market/warfare issues. In the same way, socialism, communism and variants like socialist capitalism are a lot different, and people don’t always make a difference between them.
That is why I specified that I lived in the real existing socialism, not a idealized version.
Anyway, those all important nuances which memes normally don’t need to cramp in into a funny picture which is trying to make fun of tankies which I se here on Lemmy much more often than anywhere else I’ve participated on the internet.
Poland until '89 when we fled to west Germany. My dad refused to join the party which made life much more complicated than it was for other members of the family who did.
They really did, it was hard work and so many of them had to go abroad for some time, but many came back with money waned there and helped building Poland to what it is today. It’s not perfect, but what a difference!
And that is why they also understand the real threat which is coming closer from Russia.
Never wanted so much to downvote something in my life. Capitalism has been riddled with issues and only just fixed itself with socialists solutions (regulating market, dismantling monopolies, social security, unemployment funds, stop segregation and abolish slavery, public services and housing…). You’re living in a Battle Royale and thinking it’s how it should be because, heck, you got free candies and you can “survive” on them (that is before catching diabetes).
Imagine calling Regulating Markets and Dismantling monopolies socialist policies. They are the foundation of capitalism.
Lemmy likes to say bad implementations of socialism are not true socialism but in the same breath call this “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” capitalism.
Firstly, there’s a bunch of tankies on here who will pretend whatever the fuck a given fascist state is doing is somehow sincerely in aid of socialist aims as long as it has red on its flag, so you’re wrong about that.
Secondly, saying the problems of your “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” are due to capitalism shouldn’t be a problem because it’s true. Capitalism, through private ownership and the profit motive, intrinsically creates the incentive structures that turn capitalists into oligarchs.
This isn’t an argument, you’re just vaguely gesturing at imagined hypocrisy.
Then Stalinism style authoritarianism is also due to socialism. Socialism, through the centralisation of power in the state intrinsically creates the incentive structures to turn Marxism into state authoritarianism.
Yeah nah. Any anarchist will tell you that centralisation of power in the state is not in fact an inherent trait of socialism. Statist socialists might think it’s ineffective, but it’s definitely possible to work towards communism by distributing power rather than concentrating it, and historical precedents for this do exist.
I guess I have a different perspective because Iived in the real existing socialism.
But fair enough, the upper picture with the rainbow does not really reflect the real existing capitalism.
As much as you think you “live in socialism”, your complain will most likely come from autoritarianism, productivism and global market/warfare issues. In the same way, socialism, communism and variants like socialist capitalism are a lot different, and people don’t always make a difference between them.
So you are bottom panel?
And you are the “very intelligent” guy. You can crawl back inside the well, thanks.
So, the person that you called out said they’ve lived through socialism and you come back with that’s not true socialism.
You’re panel 2
That is why I specified that I lived in the real existing socialism, not a idealized version.
Anyway, those all important nuances which memes normally don’t need to cramp in into a funny picture which is trying to make fun of tankies which I se here on Lemmy much more often than anywhere else I’ve participated on the internet.
Which socialism did you live in?
Poland until '89 when we fled to west Germany. My dad refused to join the party which made life much more complicated than it was for other members of the family who did.
It was the time of the martial law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Poland and my dad was often out protesting in the colemine until the tanks rolled in.
Martial law sounds dreadful. Glad you got the chance for a better life. Poland has come a long way since then.
They really did, it was hard work and so many of them had to go abroad for some time, but many came back with money waned there and helped building Poland to what it is today. It’s not perfect, but what a difference!
And that is why they also understand the real threat which is coming closer from Russia.