Lemmy likes to say bad implementations of socialism are not true socialism but in the same breath call this “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” capitalism.
Firstly, there’s a bunch of tankies on here who will pretend whatever the fuck a given fascist state is doing is somehow sincerely in aid of socialist aims as long as it has red on its flag, so you’re wrong about that.
Secondly, saying the problems of your “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” are due to capitalism shouldn’t be a problem because it’s true. Capitalism, through private ownership and the profit motive, intrinsically creates the incentive structures that turn capitalists into oligarchs.
This isn’t an argument, you’re just vaguely gesturing at imagined hypocrisy.
Secondly, saying the problems of your “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” are due to capitalism shouldn’t be a problem because it’s true.
Then Stalinism style authoritarianism is also due to socialism. Socialism, through the centralisation of power in the state intrinsically creates the incentive structures to turn Marxism into state authoritarianism.
Yeah nah. Any anarchist will tell you that centralisation of power in the state is not in fact an inherent trait of socialism. Statist socialists might think it’s ineffective, but it’s definitely possible to work towards communism by distributing power rather than concentrating it, and historical precedents for this do exist.
Imagine calling Regulating Markets and Dismantling monopolies socialist policies. They are the foundation of capitalism.
Lemmy likes to say bad implementations of socialism are not true socialism but in the same breath call this “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” capitalism.
Firstly, there’s a bunch of tankies on here who will pretend whatever the fuck a given fascist state is doing is somehow sincerely in aid of socialist aims as long as it has red on its flag, so you’re wrong about that.
Secondly, saying the problems of your “oligarchy neo liberalism mix” are due to capitalism shouldn’t be a problem because it’s true. Capitalism, through private ownership and the profit motive, intrinsically creates the incentive structures that turn capitalists into oligarchs.
This isn’t an argument, you’re just vaguely gesturing at imagined hypocrisy.
Then Stalinism style authoritarianism is also due to socialism. Socialism, through the centralisation of power in the state intrinsically creates the incentive structures to turn Marxism into state authoritarianism.
Yeah nah. Any anarchist will tell you that centralisation of power in the state is not in fact an inherent trait of socialism. Statist socialists might think it’s ineffective, but it’s definitely possible to work towards communism by distributing power rather than concentrating it, and historical precedents for this do exist.