FYI: direct equivocating chattel slavery and prison forced-labor is an old tactic for confederate apologia. Prison conditions are, as OP points out abhorrent and racist. But they’re utopian compared to race-based chattel slavery. It makes the slavery apologist’s job easier when they just have to defend prison conditions to an audience ignorant of the realities of antebellum slavery.
Saying that prisons are the same as slavery doesn’t make prisons look worse, it makes slavery look better.
Willie Ingram picked everything from cotton to okra during his 51 years in the state penitentiary, better known as Angola.
During his time in the fields, he was overseen by armed guards on horseback and recalled seeing men, working with little or no water, passing out in triple-digit heat. Some days, he said, workers would throw their tools in the air to protest, despite knowing the potential consequences.
“They’d come, maybe four in the truck, shields over their face, billy clubs, and they’d beat you right there in the field. They beat you, handcuff you and beat you again,” said Ingram, who received a life sentence after pleading guilty to a crime he said he didn’t commit. He was told he would serve 10 ½ years and avoid a possible death penalty, but it wasn’t until 2021 that a sympathetic judge finally released him. He was 73.
What else do you call this except chattel slavery?
Again it’s not because there’s not serious parallels between American style race-based chattel slavery and the modern forced labor system that we use to enslave people.
They muddy the waters because they are Confederates they are ye old fascists their entire f****** bit is to play with reality. These people genuinely believe that they are scientifically better at being human and that they can prove it with their bones.
Frankly, I think the slavery systems that the US has the most in common with is not even its own historical chattel slavery. Just normal forced labor systems historically that were not multigenerational. Like multi-generational race-based slavery is basically unique in world history and frankly every single example I’ve ever seen of historical parallels or or like any sort of historical precedent for any kind of practice even remotely similar to race-based chattle slavery basically is just an exercise in examining our own biases because they don’t f****** have them. Race is from chattel slavery race as a concept in the English language is from chattel slavery . Most human societies throughout history and most languages even are not going to have concepts of race as opposed to just normal ethnicity because you don’t even have enough of a range to realize that’s a thing that happens. It’s like being aware that there are people in the world with these other characteristics, and half the time it’s in the same sort of breath or sentence as here there be dragons and freaking people with their heads on backwards who walk shuffling or whatever. Like it’s it’s actually basically impossible to both not give someone hope that their life or any of their children’s lives could ever improve and also maintain that situation with any sort of permanence . Modern empires modern science modern pseudoscience is an integral part of that kind of system functioning and it the keys just didn’t exist more than 400 years ago all at the same time.
Like some of the best evidence I’ve ever seen for why the slave trade stopped in the first place is just they realized how many f****** people were dying and enough of the different human links in that economic chain just noped the f*** out of it within 200 years.
FYI: direct equivocating chattel slavery and prison forced-labor is an old tactic for confederate apologia. Prison conditions are, as OP points out abhorrent and racist. But they’re utopian compared to race-based chattel slavery. It makes the slavery apologist’s job easier when they just have to defend prison conditions to an audience ignorant of the realities of antebellum slavery.
Saying that prisons are the same as slavery doesn’t make prisons look worse, it makes slavery look better.
Jim Crow was explicitly a strategy of reinstituting plantation labor through the criminal justice system.
What else do you call this except chattel slavery?
Again it’s not because there’s not serious parallels between American style race-based chattel slavery and the modern forced labor system that we use to enslave people.
They muddy the waters because they are Confederates they are ye old fascists their entire f****** bit is to play with reality. These people genuinely believe that they are scientifically better at being human and that they can prove it with their bones.
Frankly, I think the slavery systems that the US has the most in common with is not even its own historical chattel slavery. Just normal forced labor systems historically that were not multigenerational. Like multi-generational race-based slavery is basically unique in world history and frankly every single example I’ve ever seen of historical parallels or or like any sort of historical precedent for any kind of practice even remotely similar to race-based chattle slavery basically is just an exercise in examining our own biases because they don’t f****** have them. Race is from chattel slavery race as a concept in the English language is from chattel slavery . Most human societies throughout history and most languages even are not going to have concepts of race as opposed to just normal ethnicity because you don’t even have enough of a range to realize that’s a thing that happens. It’s like being aware that there are people in the world with these other characteristics, and half the time it’s in the same sort of breath or sentence as here there be dragons and freaking people with their heads on backwards who walk shuffling or whatever. Like it’s it’s actually basically impossible to both not give someone hope that their life or any of their children’s lives could ever improve and also maintain that situation with any sort of permanence . Modern empires modern science modern pseudoscience is an integral part of that kind of system functioning and it the keys just didn’t exist more than 400 years ago all at the same time.
Like some of the best evidence I’ve ever seen for why the slave trade stopped in the first place is just they realized how many f****** people were dying and enough of the different human links in that economic chain just noped the f*** out of it within 200 years.
F*** I had a bad day