I mean, you’re either a medical institution, and then you do whatever is legal to help the patient, or you’re a sect, and then you tell ppl how they should live their lives according to a bunch of long-dead dudes. Not both.
I would say, morality always comes into play when you decide which actions are permissible and which are not when it comes to healthcare, from designing legislation and hospital policy, to decisions doctors take on the spot, whether it is secular morality or religious(for example, many people oppose euthanasia, and not necessarily for religious reasons). I see no reason to discredit catholics and their moral views, I respect them, and see the appeal and logic of condemning abortion, even if personally I am not a catholic.
What makes your morality better than religious morality?
I’d say it’s more about letting ppl choose what they do with their body and their lives in general, as long as it doesn’t hurt the others. I can be against abortions or euthanasia, yet it’s not me who’s going to suffer the childbirth/dementia/terminal cancer/etc.
I agree, but I would rather catholic institutions are not forced to act in accordance with a moral system they do not believe in. Since your country leaves healthcare up to the free market, it is not commited to make sure everyone gets all the services the could possibly want, but it is not preventing it either. You can open an abortion clinic near a catholic hospital if there is demand. The solution to this should not be forcing catholics to do abortions.
Only the laws of a secular, liberal democratic and pluralistic state, with rule of law and universal respect for human rights are allowed to interfere with people’s lives, to the extent that said interference adheres to the social contract.
If you think this makes me somehow a hypocrite, go cry me a river.
But how can you not interfere with the lives of other people? Shold I go live in the woods? If I am a private company, how much agency do I need to have to avoid interfering with the lives of other people?
Interesting word you have there, “pluralistic”. Do you reckon catholics will have a say in what laws are passed?
There is a difference between accepting the results of a democratic process(which they do, I suppose) and doing abortions yourself even though you don’t legally have to and believe it to be immoral. Your judgmental attitude is misplaced.
Quit whining. Many catholic-majority countries have legal abortion. If church-controlled institutions don’t want to provide the full spectrum of healthcare, they have two options: fold operations altogether or relinquish church control. If you are curious what that looks like, come visit us in Quebec.
But how can you not interfere with the lives of other people? Shold I go live in the woods? If I am a private company, how much agency do I need to have to avoid interfering with the lives of other people?
Follow the law.
Interesting word you have there, “pluralistic”. Do you reckon catholics will have a say in what laws are passed?
What’s next, jehovian hospitals that’ll refuse ppl blood transfusions? Maybe amish hospitals that’ll treat 'em with 100% organic snake oil?
I mean, you’re either a medical institution, and then you do whatever is legal to help the patient, or you’re a sect, and then you tell ppl how they should live their lives according to a bunch of long-dead dudes. Not both.
I would say, morality always comes into play when you decide which actions are permissible and which are not when it comes to healthcare, from designing legislation and hospital policy, to decisions doctors take on the spot, whether it is secular morality or religious(for example, many people oppose euthanasia, and not necessarily for religious reasons). I see no reason to discredit catholics and their moral views, I respect them, and see the appeal and logic of condemning abortion, even if personally I am not a catholic.
What makes your morality better than religious morality?
My morality doesn’t involve covering up sexual abuse of minors, for one.
Christian morality quite clearly does not involve that.
Not officially, no. But it sure seems to happen a lot for people who want to police how others have sex.
I’d say it’s more about letting ppl choose what they do with their body and their lives in general, as long as it doesn’t hurt the others. I can be against abortions or euthanasia, yet it’s not me who’s going to suffer the childbirth/dementia/terminal cancer/etc.
I agree, but I would rather catholic institutions are not forced to act in accordance with a moral system they do not believe in. Since your country leaves healthcare up to the free market, it is not commited to make sure everyone gets all the services the could possibly want, but it is not preventing it either. You can open an abortion clinic near a catholic hospital if there is demand. The solution to this should not be forcing catholics to do abortions.
No one’s forcing them to practice medicine, then.
Catholics and their views are perfectly fine so long as they don’t interfere with other people’s lives. Simple as.
Only your views are allowed to interfere with other’s lives?
Only the laws of a secular, liberal democratic and pluralistic state, with rule of law and universal respect for human rights are allowed to interfere with people’s lives, to the extent that said interference adheres to the social contract.
If you think this makes me somehow a hypocrite, go cry me a river.
But how can you not interfere with the lives of other people? Shold I go live in the woods? If I am a private company, how much agency do I need to have to avoid interfering with the lives of other people?
Interesting word you have there, “pluralistic”. Do you reckon catholics will have a say in what laws are passed?
Catholics do have a say in what laws are passed, tho. And it’s kinda intended.
Basically, they’re outnumbered by those who think abortions are ok, yet it’s not good enough for them.
There is a difference between accepting the results of a democratic process(which they do, I suppose) and doing abortions yourself even though you don’t legally have to and believe it to be immoral. Your judgmental attitude is misplaced.
Quit whining. Many catholic-majority countries have legal abortion. If church-controlled institutions don’t want to provide the full spectrum of healthcare, they have two options: fold operations altogether or relinquish church control. If you are curious what that looks like, come visit us in Quebec.
Follow the law.
Democracy means democracy.