Okay, so then why does any person descended from any indigenous American group alive today have the right to call themselves indigenous or live on a reservation? Please explain it.
I really don’t get what you’re trying to get at with the reservation thing. Please explain it.
Are you making the argument that ethnic Romans should have reservations…?
I was under the impression the reservation system is far from ideal, at best executed terribly, and is a small concession for the destruction of culture hundreds of years ago from colonial endeavors.
You are saying that modern indigenous people are not of the same people as their ancestors.
So why should they be given ancestral land and autonomy? According to you, the modern Sioux aren’t of the same people as the ones who were there before Europeans got there, they’re just Americans.
So why do they get special reserved land and autonomy? Why do they deserve it based on your rationale that they are not the same people?
You are saying that modern indigenous people are not of the same people as their ancestors.
No, I’m saying they are not the same people. They are ancestors.
So why should they be given ancestral land and autonomy?
Because it was brutally taken from their ancestors and caused a great change in their culture, land, and way of life?
According to you, the modern Sioux aren’t of the same people as the ones who were there before Europeans got there, they’re just Americans.
Again this “of the same people.” I’m saying they are not THE same people, they are ancestors.
So why do they get special reserved land and autonomy? Why do they deserve it based on your rationale that they are not the same people?
This is your argument that you’re having with yourself. I don’t know why you’re so hung up on reservations or “deserving” land. The question was, are the people of today the same as the past and the simple answer is no. Time has dramatically changed the language, culture, and borders of these civilizations… Which is why even in your question you had to delineate between the modern Sioux and the pre-colonial Sioux.
So the British made Hadrian’s wall and Italy built the Colosseum? Or perhaps a genetically linked but wholly different group of people made those.
Okay, so none of the indigenous people of the Americas today are of the same people who were there before European contact. I see.
I guess we should take away all those reservations. They don’t deserve them.
Edit: Also, no, the Romano-British did not make Hadrian’s Wall. Legions from other parts of the empire did. That’s a poor argument.
What a deranged take.
Edit: Nice edit. That’s the point, they’re not the same people even if map borders after conquest would lead one to believe they were.
I’m going by your own claim. Are the Mayans today of the same people as the Mayans who built Chichen Itza or not?
According to your claim, they are not. Therefore why does any indigenous person need a reservation? Or even deserve to call themselves indigenous?
Oh Squid.
The Mayans of today are as similar to ancient Mayans as Italians are to ancient Romans.
I don’t know why you keep trying to bring up reservations, not sure how that’s relevant.
Okay, so then why does any person descended from any indigenous American group alive today have the right to call themselves indigenous or live on a reservation? Please explain it.
I really don’t get what you’re trying to get at with the reservation thing. Please explain it.
Are you making the argument that ethnic Romans should have reservations…?
I was under the impression the reservation system is far from ideal, at best executed terribly, and is a small concession for the destruction of culture hundreds of years ago from colonial endeavors.
You are saying that modern indigenous people are not of the same people as their ancestors.
So why should they be given ancestral land and autonomy? According to you, the modern Sioux aren’t of the same people as the ones who were there before Europeans got there, they’re just Americans.
So why do they get special reserved land and autonomy? Why do they deserve it based on your rationale that they are not the same people?
No, I’m saying they are not the same people. They are ancestors.
Because it was brutally taken from their ancestors and caused a great change in their culture, land, and way of life?
Again this “of the same people.” I’m saying they are not THE same people, they are ancestors.
This is your argument that you’re having with yourself. I don’t know why you’re so hung up on reservations or “deserving” land. The question was, are the people of today the same as the past and the simple answer is no. Time has dramatically changed the language, culture, and borders of these civilizations… Which is why even in your question you had to delineate between the modern Sioux and the pre-colonial Sioux.