He should have won. He’s smarter, more well spoken, has a better moral compass, a better track record on legislation, better health, better administration.
The comments here show pure distain for Biden and I don’t understand why. He was better in every single regard and yet the people who claim to support that constantly spit on him at every opportunity. People who act like that way helped trump to victory. You would never see a republican act that way towards trump.
Which includes full send genocide and ignoring constituents who opposed this, including within his own administration.
They only switched to Kamala for the PACs that refused to give lobbying funds because even they knew Biden would easily lose.
Of course PAC money is no match for actual votes, so after Kamala got her campaign paycheck and told the uncommitted movement to get bent, she inevitably lost.
Yes even in the flawed democracy of the USA, constituents ultimately decide who wins. They didn’t even bother lying or pandering to voting blocs for support. They straight up banned them from the main DNC rally and refused to meet their demands.
This is such a no brainer. Trump tries his best not to alienate his voter base which is why his policy is hot trash garbage all over the place, but he actually did the bargain basement job of a politician which is to promise changes for your vote, regardless of whether or not he actually fulfills them.
Biden and Kamala were both content in dropping millions of democratic voter demands and willingly losing to Trump to defend a POS ethnostate across the Atlantic.
Have you listened to trump speak? He cannot string together a single coherent sentence. The guy is a moron. The Senile talking point was manufactured by the right and parroted by people like you. Notice how it completely disappeared when it was trump vs harris.
The problem is we watched that debate. The dude belongs in a memory care unit. I still don’t know how he avoided being forced to resign the presidency after that.
The issue is that Trump is also a senile old person but the issue was framed as “oh well at least he is not as old and senile as Biden” but when biden dropped out the right dropped that talking point and never mentioned it again. Because it was never about that.
Cool, Trump a bat shit insane narcissist who only cares about himself, who can barely say 3 words before losing track of what he was even trying to do. Toddlers have better object permanence than Trump.
Now explain why that is why we should have kept someone on the same path of the same mental leakage trying to win against Trump.
OK I will. The weeks leading up to an election is not the time to be criticizing your candidate if you want to win. You should be supporting and backing your candidate if you think they are the better choice. Your support is what convinces others and insulates your candidate against attacks from the otherside.
Because no one on the left seemed to support Biden the Democrats and were constantly trashing him online (which the right amplified and used for their propaganda) the dems made the hard choice to switch candidates and Harris had 0 time to prepare a campaign and narrative. She did an amazing job but she didn’t have the time she needed to win.
You can blame dems for running the wrong candidate but I don’t think the dems expected their base to be completely suicidal when so much was at stake. Its not like Biden is a danger to the country, he’s had very few controversy and has passed a ton of good legislation.
No my point was that when it was biden v trump age was a huge concern for so many people then when it was harris v trump suddenly they dont care that trump is as old as biden and mentally unfit.
Your mistake is thinking this was a binary choice. The reality is that both Trump and Biden were competing to convince people to come out and vote. Not to vote for them but just to vote. Nearly everyone would already know if they’d vote Democrat or Republican, the only question was whether they were going to vote at all. Unfortunately Republican and Democrat voters require different motivations.
For Republicans all they need is a target. Someone to be angry at and blame all their problems on. Trump gives them that in spades. They just want someone to tell them it’s someone else’s fault their life is shit but that they’ve got a plan to fix it by making someone else suffer. Trump was only too happy to do exactly that.
Democrats meanwhile want to hear exactly how a candidate is planning on fixing problems. Usually not just any problems either, but specifically the problems they care about most. That could be global warming, racism, the wealth gap, workers rights, gun violence, the genocide in Palestine, the housing market, or something else entirely. That is what motivates them to show up to the polls. Biden (and then Harris) largely failed to do that. Instead he put forward plans that either inched towards solving those problems at a snails pace, or like in the case of Palestine outright ignored the problem.
So yes, Biden is objectively a better president than Trump in every metric except for one. The one that actually mattered. The ability to convince people to get off their asses and head to the polls. Honestly at this point the problem isn’t even Biden or even Harris, it’s the entire DNC and their milquetoast platform.
Ah look someone on the “left” trying to convince people not to vote for the democrat because of Palestine. You must be so happy that this wont be an issue next election because Trump will ensure Palestine doesn’t exist.
Ah look someone on the “left” trying to convince people not to vote for the democrat because of Palestine.
The election is over. That ship has sailed.
You must be so happy that you’re not only getting the genocide you wanted, but you can also blame everyone to your left for it. They tried to warn you. You didn’t listen.
If after reading everything I said that was your takeaway I don’t think there’s any point in continuing to talk as you’re very clearly either not actually reading what was written, or else so utterly failing to understand I have to wonder if it’s willful ignorance.
This section is so insane. Its shows how well republicans are able to completely rewrite history through propaganda. Biden stuttered a few times in a 1hr+ debate and answered every question intelligently but he fucked up his words on one question. Trump couldnt answer a single question and proved he had no idea what a tariff was or how tax works. But Trump got a single favourable soundbite so I guess he dominated???
After his disastrous performance in his single debate against Trump, during which the president struggled to form coherent answers to questions and seemed utterly lost in the setting, public confidence in his ability to pull off an electoral victory imploded.
You can’t keep letting the right get away with narrative shifting like this. Even if Trump had done nothing the right would be online posting that he had the greatest performance of all time. Support your damn candidate if you want to win.
It’s not right wing narrative. After I watched the debate I was pissed and felt like the Biden administration had hid the fact that Biden isn’t in a condition to be president because that’s what happened.
Trump didn’t have any coherent answers but you could at least hear him
yes 1 3s misspeak after he had just provided a good answer to the question. Do you have a single example of a question trump answered better than biden?
yes 1 3s misspeak after he had just provided a good answer to the question.
He gave a rambling trumpian answer and ended it with nonsense. And just like all of Trump’s cult, you’re making excuses for obvious cognitive decline.
He’s not running anymore. You don’t have to carry water for him,
Do you have a single example of a question trump answered better than biden?
Trump shat the bed too. The difference is that Trump has a cult and Biden has a few scattered diehard centrists. Trump wasn’t going to lose any votes that night. Biden did. You don’t have the same base. Democrats respond differently than Republicans do.
You do realize that there are people who can be swayed and when they go online and see the right saying they won’t and the left saying it’s over they will immediately go to the right.
Trump is successful because his base supports him and acts like he won no matter how stupid he sounded.
People on the left could easily find stuff to support and get excited about and hold their criticism for after the election.
The fact that you think a bad Biden answer is equivalent to a normal Trump answer should be enough reason to shit on Trump and support Biden(vocally). Its over now but in retrospective.
I watched Biden answer question after question giving a policy example of what his party had done on that issue and acknowledge that even though there was more work to be done he was working on doing it then he would give the policy example that he was working on.
I then watched trump ignore every single question ramble about immigrants eating dogs, make up hyperbolic statements he thought might sound good to his audience. In the context of the discussion he made no sense.
You can point to that one question but you need to remember Biden answered the question intelligently and the stutter you are talking about was 10seconds in an hour long debate.
During the debate Biden looked like the resident of an old folks home who walked down the wrong hallway and can’t find his way back to the common room.
Everyone who watched the debate saw that. It was a DISASTER for him.
During the debate Biden stuttered a few times(as he has done throughout his life) and misspoke once. Meanwhile Trump rambled incoherently and made up random shit. I don’t think Trump made a single true statement that entire debate.
Are you really telling me that you watch a presidential debate and you don’t even slightly consider what each candidate is saying? I thought people on lemmy would be a little more intelligent than that.
Dont take what I’m saying as me trying to convince you that Biden was a youthful spirit. I’m only pointing out that Trump is a moron who is able to dodge all criticism and even an 80+ year old Biden is still far above him mentally if you listen to his answers.
It’s more about what Biden didn’t say than what he said, and as I pointed out in the megapost at the time, he looked like a lost little boy who walked into the wrong room.
The killer bit was AFTER the debate, the post show, he was energized and articulate, a performance completely missing from the debate itself, which shows the lie of “well, he had a cold, he was tired” etc. etc. He was fine AFTER the debate, where was THAT Biden?
Here’s what I’m talking about specifically, the look of a slack jawed dementia patient.
Why do people hold Biden to such a high standard when the guy next to him is a complete moron. I’m not going to shit on Biden because he didn’t live up to this idea in my head. If he makes a better case than the other guy that’s enough. From the debate I think he walked circles around trump on every single issue.
Debates aren’t entirely about issues, it’s about appearances. We learned that in 1960 with the first televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon. The people who heard it on the radio were convinced Nixon won. The people who watched it on television thought Nixon came across shifty, sweaty, and deceitful, handing it to Kennedy.
Largely because Nixon refused the makeup required for television. Nixon lost the election.
If you appear weak, you are weak, and the inverse is equally true. Trump is /r/confidentlywrong personified, but all the people care about is the confident part, not the wrong part
I literally called it the night of the debate that they were going to overreact to him being sick, and not even talk about the multiple lies that Trump told. Sure enough within a week, he was stepping down.
Trump lies every time he speaks, it’s the expectation and he met it. That’s not news. Biden showed up looking like he was on death’s door when he hadn’t before, that is news.
He should have won. He’s smarter, more well spoken, has a better moral compass, a better track record on legislation, better health, better administration.
The comments here show pure distain for Biden and I don’t understand why. He was better in every single regard and yet the people who claim to support that constantly spit on him at every opportunity. People who act like that way helped trump to victory. You would never see a republican act that way towards trump.
Senile on public display including the debate
Which includes full send genocide and ignoring constituents who opposed this, including within his own administration.
They only switched to Kamala for the PACs that refused to give lobbying funds because even they knew Biden would easily lose.
Of course PAC money is no match for actual votes, so after Kamala got her campaign paycheck and told the uncommitted movement to get bent, she inevitably lost.
Yes even in the flawed democracy of the USA, constituents ultimately decide who wins. They didn’t even bother lying or pandering to voting blocs for support. They straight up banned them from the main DNC rally and refused to meet their demands.
This is such a no brainer. Trump tries his best not to alienate his voter base which is why his policy is hot trash garbage all over the place, but he actually did the bargain basement job of a politician which is to promise changes for your vote, regardless of whether or not he actually fulfills them.
Biden and Kamala were both content in dropping millions of democratic voter demands and willingly losing to Trump to defend a POS ethnostate across the Atlantic.
Of course they lost every single swing state.
Have you listened to trump speak? He cannot string together a single coherent sentence. The guy is a moron. The Senile talking point was manufactured by the right and parroted by people like you. Notice how it completely disappeared when it was trump vs harris.
The problem is we watched that debate. The dude belongs in a memory care unit. I still don’t know how he avoided being forced to resign the presidency after that.
Is your point that people stopped talking about Biden being senile when Biden was no longer in the race? Because…
“This candidate has issues with being coherent. Let’s remove him with a younger fresher candidate.”
“Did you ever notice how once they removed the grandpa with dementia, no one was calling for him to be removed??? Wake up sheeple!!”
The issue is that Trump is also a senile old person but the issue was framed as “oh well at least he is not as old and senile as Biden” but when biden dropped out the right dropped that talking point and never mentioned it again. Because it was never about that.
Cool, Trump a bat shit insane narcissist who only cares about himself, who can barely say 3 words before losing track of what he was even trying to do. Toddlers have better object permanence than Trump.
Now explain why that is why we should have kept someone on the same path of the same mental leakage trying to win against Trump.
OK I will. The weeks leading up to an election is not the time to be criticizing your candidate if you want to win. You should be supporting and backing your candidate if you think they are the better choice. Your support is what convinces others and insulates your candidate against attacks from the otherside.
Because no one on the left seemed to support Biden the Democrats and were constantly trashing him online (which the right amplified and used for their propaganda) the dems made the hard choice to switch candidates and Harris had 0 time to prepare a campaign and narrative. She did an amazing job but she didn’t have the time she needed to win.
You can blame dems for running the wrong candidate but I don’t think the dems expected their base to be completely suicidal when so much was at stake. Its not like Biden is a danger to the country, he’s had very few controversy and has passed a ton of good legislation.
No my point was that when it was biden v trump age was a huge concern for so many people then when it was harris v trump suddenly they dont care that trump is as old as biden and mentally unfit.
Your mistake is thinking this was a binary choice. The reality is that both Trump and Biden were competing to convince people to come out and vote. Not to vote for them but just to vote. Nearly everyone would already know if they’d vote Democrat or Republican, the only question was whether they were going to vote at all. Unfortunately Republican and Democrat voters require different motivations.
For Republicans all they need is a target. Someone to be angry at and blame all their problems on. Trump gives them that in spades. They just want someone to tell them it’s someone else’s fault their life is shit but that they’ve got a plan to fix it by making someone else suffer. Trump was only too happy to do exactly that.
Democrats meanwhile want to hear exactly how a candidate is planning on fixing problems. Usually not just any problems either, but specifically the problems they care about most. That could be global warming, racism, the wealth gap, workers rights, gun violence, the genocide in Palestine, the housing market, or something else entirely. That is what motivates them to show up to the polls. Biden (and then Harris) largely failed to do that. Instead he put forward plans that either inched towards solving those problems at a snails pace, or like in the case of Palestine outright ignored the problem.
So yes, Biden is objectively a better president than Trump in every metric except for one. The one that actually mattered. The ability to convince people to get off their asses and head to the polls. Honestly at this point the problem isn’t even Biden or even Harris, it’s the entire DNC and their milquetoast platform.
Ah look someone on the “left” trying to convince people not to vote for the democrat because of Palestine. You must be so happy that this wont be an issue next election because Trump will ensure Palestine doesn’t exist.
The election is over. That ship has sailed.
You must be so happy that you’re not only getting the genocide you wanted, but you can also blame everyone to your left for it. They tried to warn you. You didn’t listen.
I’m not blaming people to my left. You arent to the left of me. You’re to the right.
Genocide is a right-wing policy. I don’t support it. You do.
Liberals love genocide, it’s why both parties support it and treat it as equaling out.
“If both sides have normalized genocide, neither side is worse than the other. So why not support the genocide to go harder?”
If after reading everything I said that was your takeaway I don’t think there’s any point in continuing to talk as you’re very clearly either not actually reading what was written, or else so utterly failing to understand I have to wonder if it’s willful ignorance.
This section is so insane. Its shows how well republicans are able to completely rewrite history through propaganda. Biden stuttered a few times in a 1hr+ debate and answered every question intelligently but he fucked up his words on one question. Trump couldnt answer a single question and proved he had no idea what a tariff was or how tax works. But Trump got a single favourable soundbite so I guess he dominated???
You can’t keep letting the right get away with narrative shifting like this. Even if Trump had done nothing the right would be online posting that he had the greatest performance of all time. Support your damn candidate if you want to win.
Dude, the video is available. It was really that bad.
It’s not right wing narrative. After I watched the debate I was pissed and felt like the Biden administration had hid the fact that Biden isn’t in a condition to be president because that’s what happened.
Trump didn’t have any coherent answers but you could at least hear him
What question do you think Biden answered worse than trump? Also do you think that Trump is mentally health?
We finally beat Medicare.
Golfing in Afghanistan
yes 1 3s misspeak after he had just provided a good answer to the question. Do you have a single example of a question trump answered better than biden?
He gave a rambling trumpian answer and ended it with nonsense. And just like all of Trump’s cult, you’re making excuses for obvious cognitive decline.
He’s not running anymore. You don’t have to carry water for him,
Trump shat the bed too. The difference is that Trump has a cult and Biden has a few scattered diehard centrists. Trump wasn’t going to lose any votes that night. Biden did. You don’t have the same base. Democrats respond differently than Republicans do.
You do realize that there are people who can be swayed and when they go online and see the right saying they won’t and the left saying it’s over they will immediately go to the right.
Trump is successful because his base supports him and acts like he won no matter how stupid he sounded.
People on the left could easily find stuff to support and get excited about and hold their criticism for after the election.
The fact that you think a bad Biden answer is equivalent to a normal Trump answer should be enough reason to shit on Trump and support Biden(vocally). Its over now but in retrospective.
And you envy that. You want Democrats to be as stupid as Republicans.
We’re not going to pretend a shit sandwich is perfect just because you like the taste.
I watched the debate and your take is so far from reality it’s a joke.
We watched a senile old man say he killed medicare. These were not stutters or missteps. This was serious mental decline on exhibit for over an hour.
As much as I dislike Trump, Biden is simply unfit mentally, right now this moment end of story.
I watched Biden answer question after question giving a policy example of what his party had done on that issue and acknowledge that even though there was more work to be done he was working on doing it then he would give the policy example that he was working on.
I then watched trump ignore every single question ramble about immigrants eating dogs, make up hyperbolic statements he thought might sound good to his audience. In the context of the discussion he made no sense.
You can point to that one question but you need to remember Biden answered the question intelligently and the stutter you are talking about was 10seconds in an hour long debate.
Please read just a tiny bit of this and tell me you still stand behind your comment. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html
For my sanity.
During the debate Biden looked like the resident of an old folks home who walked down the wrong hallway and can’t find his way back to the common room.
Everyone who watched the debate saw that. It was a DISASTER for him.
During the debate Biden stuttered a few times(as he has done throughout his life) and misspoke once. Meanwhile Trump rambled incoherently and made up random shit. I don’t think Trump made a single true statement that entire debate.
Are you really telling me that you watch a presidential debate and you don’t even slightly consider what each candidate is saying? I thought people on lemmy would be a little more intelligent than that.
Dont take what I’m saying as me trying to convince you that Biden was a youthful spirit. I’m only pointing out that Trump is a moron who is able to dodge all criticism and even an 80+ year old Biden is still far above him mentally if you listen to his answers.
It’s more about what Biden didn’t say than what he said, and as I pointed out in the megapost at the time, he looked like a lost little boy who walked into the wrong room.
The killer bit was AFTER the debate, the post show, he was energized and articulate, a performance completely missing from the debate itself, which shows the lie of “well, he had a cold, he was tired” etc. etc. He was fine AFTER the debate, where was THAT Biden?
Here’s what I’m talking about specifically, the look of a slack jawed dementia patient.
https://www.youtube.com/live/qqG96G8YdcE#t=12m8s
He lost the debate 12 minutes in.
Then you compare that to the Joe who showed up AFTER:
https://youtu.be/6js_ICtFtLA
It’s a night and day difference.
Why do people hold Biden to such a high standard when the guy next to him is a complete moron. I’m not going to shit on Biden because he didn’t live up to this idea in my head. If he makes a better case than the other guy that’s enough. From the debate I think he walked circles around trump on every single issue.
Debates aren’t entirely about issues, it’s about appearances. We learned that in 1960 with the first televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon. The people who heard it on the radio were convinced Nixon won. The people who watched it on television thought Nixon came across shifty, sweaty, and deceitful, handing it to Kennedy.
https://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/history/debate/kennedynixon/kennedynixonscholarly.html
Largely because Nixon refused the makeup required for television. Nixon lost the election.
If you appear weak, you are weak, and the inverse is equally true. Trump is /r/confidentlywrong personified, but all the people care about is the confident part, not the wrong part
I literally called it the night of the debate that they were going to overreact to him being sick, and not even talk about the multiple lies that Trump told. Sure enough within a week, he was stepping down.
Trump lies every time he speaks, it’s the expectation and he met it. That’s not news. Biden showed up looking like he was on death’s door when he hadn’t before, that is news.