Guns are safer and more powerful when you don’t flaunt them around like a personality trait. This is why many states that allow conceal carry won’t allow you to open carry, you make yourself an early target and your weapon becomes someone else’s.
That’s awesome. I never understood concealed carry being illegal if open carry was not.
One time back in HS I got stopped by the cops for being out past curfew and allowed them to search my bag (mistake) and they found a pocket knife I had forgotten was in there. They said they could confiscate it and give me a citation for carrying a concealed weapon and I was like “what do you want me to do, walk around holding it?” They said “leave it home” which is obviously not helpful if you actually need a knife.
I really really hope that won’t be happening, there is just no way you could fight off the military in an armed uprising! Though it would be funny if the republicans banned guns, after throwing a continuous hissy fit for it in the last many decades…
I was decidedly anti gun until I moved to a solid red town. Population of 400 and yet there’s probably 1,000 guns in this town, maybe more
Pandora’s box has been open. Until regulation occurs (aka never) it’s the only way to protect yourself. Many of the people in this town are okay but there are a some very paranoid people itching for something to do vigilante shit over. What am I gonna do when one of them googles me, finds out that I provide trans affirming care to pediatric clients, and then puts me in their sights? Karate? Guns beat karate every time.
I have cameras and motion activated floodlights all over my property and I have a gun. I’ll call the cops but they won’t come quick out here. Plus im not trying to get my dog shot.
I’m not going to die and become a footnote news article that’s glossed over and forgotten after 20 minutes. And I’m not going to move because this town has queer people that need services, whether they’re adults that just built their life here or kids that are trapped. Plus a ton of non queer people that need services too, towns like this in general desperately need mental health services. Fuck the culture of fear they’ve created and fuck not doing whatever you can to protect yourself
The Vietnamese and Afghans sure did a good job fighting against the US military with small arms and guerilla tactics. Don’t expect that the US military is invincible.
The US fighting at home is not a benefit to the US its a benefit for the gurellia fighters. The guy who flys the drones or drives the tanks has to live here, so does their family. This is always what civil uprising looks like as well as why its a last resort.
Do you guys think the US military would, by and large, turn its guns inward on US soil?
Personally I’m a bit skeptical—they’re our brothers and sisters after all. I think a good 60% of the military would quit if they were asked to fire on US citizens.
Even if it was a civil war roughly along party lines and no military quit on either side, the distribution of of military seems like it would be closer to a 60/40 or a 50/50 distribution than it would be 100% of the military on the conservative side vs a civilian army on the other.
America has already used its military to kill students protesting at university in the past. Everyday it has “police” that regularly devalue the lives of citizens and murder them abruptly and without punishment.
Add to that so many on the right would take absolute glee in the killings.
In most revolutions, there isn’t an outright war, usually the millitary gives in and small cells remain. In some, there is a protracted war, but the Leftists usually have nothing to lose and the millitary is only in it for the paycheck so desertion becomes incredibly common. It’s worth reading the real histories of revolutions.
You have to think about contradictions that occur, not like static things, when analyzing conflicts like this. The US military is strong, but they aren’t like completely cold blooded thugs. Some are, you’ll have that anywhere, but how revolutions are often won is the military breaks in half, and one side goes over to the revolutionary forces. See the people with the most like conscience (sorry its not very scientific here, but its the best word to describe), will defect first and early, which creates problems in the ranks with disunity and lowering morale. The generals and leaders will become extremely harsh on the military which just causes more defections as people start to escape their declining conditions, along with their conscience, which makes the leaders crack down harder – it creates a feedback loop that can fracture the entire military. Its happened many times. Turning a military against their own people is dangerous. It takes decades of otherizing and conditioning of the population to overwrite peoples basic humanity. Some people can be monstrous but some can’t resist their own conscience.
You never know what could happen, especially in the core. And as other people have said, the US military actually losing is always possible. Talk to anyone in the military with logistical or admin or leadership jobs, and a lot of times you won’t find the hyper jingoistic patriotism of the suburbs, you’ll find healthy skepticism and tactical flexibility. In other words, the military are always aware that they could lose, so why should we think any different?
It all comes down to organization, tactics, and strategy.
The US also has a huge, cellular, distributed, militarized police force. Under Trump, that’s the real immediate threat. They’ve had decades of dehumanizing their fellow citizens and are eager to employ military tactics and authoritarian rule to a population they see as sheep. Many of them are part of unregulated militias as well.
A US civil war or revolution would almost certainly look like guerilla leftists and military deserters vs military hardliners and the police. On the upshot, a lot of police are actually soft babies and probably wouldn’t stick it out for protracted fighting.
Militias could dig in and hold a lot of territory under martial law in some areas though. Appalachia just a hive of little forts and compounds.
They’ve had decades of dehumanizing their fellow citizens and are eager to employ military tactics and authoritarian rule to a population they see as sheep.
Well, that IS the whole reason for having police in the first place.
Have more queers and non-whites finally started picking up guns too? Under Trump it just might become necessary.
Plenty of them do.
They just don’t fetishize them, treat them like fashion accessories, or wear them like an identity badge on their sleeves the way right-wingers do.
Guns are safer and more powerful when you don’t flaunt them around like a personality trait. This is why many states that allow conceal carry won’t allow you to open carry, you make yourself an early target and your weapon becomes someone else’s.
That’s awesome. I never understood concealed carry being illegal if open carry was not.
One time back in HS I got stopped by the cops for being out past curfew and allowed them to search my bag (mistake) and they found a pocket knife I had forgotten was in there. They said they could confiscate it and give me a citation for carrying a concealed weapon and I was like “what do you want me to do, walk around holding it?” They said “leave it home” which is obviously not helpful if you actually need a knife.
Next time I buy a knife I’ll be carrying it home like a serial killer ready to stab someone.
“Finally?” Organizing and taking up arms has happened for a long, long time. The Black Panther Party is an easy and recognizable example.
Who you gonna shoot and fix things?
I really really hope that won’t be happening, there is just no way you could fight off the military in an armed uprising! Though it would be funny if the republicans banned guns, after throwing a continuous hissy fit for it in the last many decades…
I was decidedly anti gun until I moved to a solid red town. Population of 400 and yet there’s probably 1,000 guns in this town, maybe more
Pandora’s box has been open. Until regulation occurs (aka never) it’s the only way to protect yourself. Many of the people in this town are okay but there are a some very paranoid people itching for something to do vigilante shit over. What am I gonna do when one of them googles me, finds out that I provide trans affirming care to pediatric clients, and then puts me in their sights? Karate? Guns beat karate every time.
I have cameras and motion activated floodlights all over my property and I have a gun. I’ll call the cops but they won’t come quick out here. Plus im not trying to get my dog shot.
I’m not going to die and become a footnote news article that’s glossed over and forgotten after 20 minutes. And I’m not going to move because this town has queer people that need services, whether they’re adults that just built their life here or kids that are trapped. Plus a ton of non queer people that need services too, towns like this in general desperately need mental health services. Fuck the culture of fear they’ve created and fuck not doing whatever you can to protect yourself
The fact y’all are living like this is INSANE to the rest of us, but also I understand your conundrum.
The Vietnamese and Afghans sure did a good job fighting against the US military with small arms and guerilla tactics. Don’t expect that the US military is invincible.
The Vietnamese had a fuck lot more than small arms. They had all sorts of modern Soviet weapons, including Soviet jets with Soviet pilots.
You’re thinking of the Korean War. The best pilots the Vietnamese had was Vietnamese - and they were damn good, too.
They were also fighting the US outside of its home soil, where there was no risk of America falling to the enemy.
They certainly did not face the full force of the US military.
Still Syria shows it can be done. But it’s not easy.
The US fighting at home is not a benefit to the US its a benefit for the gurellia fighters. The guy who flys the drones or drives the tanks has to live here, so does their family. This is always what civil uprising looks like as well as why its a last resort.
The full force of the military like nuke bombs and aircraft carriers?
Neither will the people in the US. That’s how civil wars work - half the military might just decide to join the other side.
Do you guys think the US military would, by and large, turn its guns inward on US soil?
Personally I’m a bit skeptical—they’re our brothers and sisters after all. I think a good 60% of the military would quit if they were asked to fire on US citizens.
Even if it was a civil war roughly along party lines and no military quit on either side, the distribution of of military seems like it would be closer to a 60/40 or a 50/50 distribution than it would be 100% of the military on the conservative side vs a civilian army on the other.
Military by state
Yes, 100%.
America has already used its military to kill students protesting at university in the past. Everyday it has “police” that regularly devalue the lives of citizens and murder them abruptly and without punishment.
Add to that so many on the right would take absolute glee in the killings.
less about fighting the military and more about fighting off lynch mobs, goon squads, militia types or police.
Who can definitely be defeated with numbers and organization
You don’t need to fight off the military, but the peons who voted for Trump. They will most likely be the ones that start something stupid.
The US army has proven to be very good at fighting conventional wars but utterly incompetent in fights against guerrillas.
Also they can’t bomb infrastructure to starve the rebels out without fucking themselves over too, since they need that infrastructure themselves.
In most revolutions, there isn’t an outright war, usually the millitary gives in and small cells remain. In some, there is a protracted war, but the Leftists usually have nothing to lose and the millitary is only in it for the paycheck so desertion becomes incredibly common. It’s worth reading the real histories of revolutions.
You have to think about contradictions that occur, not like static things, when analyzing conflicts like this. The US military is strong, but they aren’t like completely cold blooded thugs. Some are, you’ll have that anywhere, but how revolutions are often won is the military breaks in half, and one side goes over to the revolutionary forces. See the people with the most like conscience (sorry its not very scientific here, but its the best word to describe), will defect first and early, which creates problems in the ranks with disunity and lowering morale. The generals and leaders will become extremely harsh on the military which just causes more defections as people start to escape their declining conditions, along with their conscience, which makes the leaders crack down harder – it creates a feedback loop that can fracture the entire military. Its happened many times. Turning a military against their own people is dangerous. It takes decades of otherizing and conditioning of the population to overwrite peoples basic humanity. Some people can be monstrous but some can’t resist their own conscience.
You never know what could happen, especially in the core. And as other people have said, the US military actually losing is always possible. Talk to anyone in the military with logistical or admin or leadership jobs, and a lot of times you won’t find the hyper jingoistic patriotism of the suburbs, you’ll find healthy skepticism and tactical flexibility. In other words, the military are always aware that they could lose, so why should we think any different?
It all comes down to organization, tactics, and strategy.
The US also has a huge, cellular, distributed, militarized police force. Under Trump, that’s the real immediate threat. They’ve had decades of dehumanizing their fellow citizens and are eager to employ military tactics and authoritarian rule to a population they see as sheep. Many of them are part of unregulated militias as well.
A US civil war or revolution would almost certainly look like guerilla leftists and military deserters vs military hardliners and the police. On the upshot, a lot of police are actually soft babies and probably wouldn’t stick it out for protracted fighting.
Militias could dig in and hold a lot of territory under martial law in some areas though. Appalachia just a hive of little forts and compounds.
Well, that IS the whole reason for having police in the first place.