On the flip side, if I create a community for some really niche thing that I want to discuss with others, I don’t want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Mob mentality on social media is also a real problem. People see downvotes and continue to down vote a comment without even reading the whole thing, automatically assuming a user must be an asshole if everyone else downvotes them. Oftentimes, it’s just something people don’t want to hear, but is true.
I don’t want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Without the “irrational mob of users,” wouldn’t the community just be you, and thus… not a community?
Isn’t that missing the entire point? “It’s my community I built it.”
So the people who exist in the community and partake in it aren’t part of it? Only you are because you spearheaded it? When you die they will shut it down in reverence for what has been lost, like the NBA retires numbers?
Then why even give a shit and start one and put unpaid hours into it? I don’t do any work without an end product to show for it. The users are just casually posting media. The mod has to sit there all day and make sure the community doesn’t turn into a shit show.
I don’t do any work without an end product to show for it.
Then you honestly don’t understand what a community is or why you would want to be involved with it. Sadly this attitude seems to be everywhere these days.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit.
A community isn’t just for you.
We’re literally in the Linuxmemes community where we’re supposed to be part of an Open Source community so this attitude fucking baffles me.
If I write code that gets overwritten by better code, is it really worth it to bitch about how I have nothing to show for it now? Or should I be happy that someone more competent than me made the community better for everyone, including me?
I get that. But I’m from the old school. In the 90s and early 2000s, if you paid for server space, bandwidth, and set up a forum for multiple users, nobody questioned whether it was yours or not and your ability to do whatever you want with it. Users who didn’t like it moved on or started their own.
You don’t own a community on another instance, it’s not even an ambiguous question, you can make one and be the main or only mod. But you do so with the understanding that the actual instance admins can remove you as a mod at any time.
You can still have that level of ownership with your own Lemmy instance, if you wish
There’s some things that could be done, like only allow people that have been part of the community for x amount of time may help. But it will definitely need to be thought about further.
But the current solution is permanent changes by mods of a community you are part of still sucks.
Sucked when it was part of reddit and sucks that it’s still a thing here
That was a potential solution I’d considered as well, but that’s also open to abuse (join a community, set a reminder for x amount of time, do the same thing as you were going to do anyway but with a delay). It would probably stop casual harassment but not do much for the KF-level stuff.
If it was easy to solve someone would have already done it, is my feeling. IMO trust in your instance admin to be fair when the community is at odds with the mods is the only practical way to deal with it without basically reinventing secure voting with verified voters. Which sounds like a hassle, but Godspeed to anyone who wants to give it a go.
I may take a stab at it if it bothers me enough. I dont know rust, but I could possibly see playing around with piefed/bookwyrm or some other like platform to prototype. Its probably one of those issues that comes up so rarely that we dont really need to worry too much about. Until its my instance of course 😜 .
Reminder ban communities would totally be a thing. To that, I have no solution other than they would have to be extra-ordinarily coordinated in their trolling. Which the internet is want to do…
To be fair having benevolent mods/admins/dictators are the best case scenario (and we are honestly in a pretty good spot in the fedi).
If it doesn’t grow and it’s only you and get kicked out of the server for being a nuisance, nothing is lost. There was no community there to begin with. Actually, there was a greater super set community that rejected the mod. And, if there’s a small community and they kick you out, even if you founded and started the community, then that’s what the community wants.
You are ignoring that harassment is a problem. If any group of people has the power to follow you around and kick you out of any space you create then congrats, you’ve just made Kiwi Farms a new playground.
That’s what admins are for, meta moderation. I’m not proposing said solution or even suggesting it is desirable. Harassment exist in all human spaces and it is up to those in positions of authority and the collective consensus to stop it. But most internet spaces are dictatorial and authoritarian by default. There are plenty of examples on the fediverse alone. If any admin chooses to promote or protect the harassment then you’re out of luck. If someone wants to annoy the Admins, then they have no moral obligation to protect your community. They are the one’s hosting the service and paying for the servers and bandwidth. No mod has any sort of ownership over anything in here.
EDIT: Maybe it is not right, but that’s how it is right now. If a bad politician gets voted out of office, we don’t call it harassment, even if they founded the town, we call it democracy. But Lemmy is not that, so the idea is moot. Admins are all powerful dictators of their instances.
On the flip side, if I create a community for some really niche thing that I want to discuss with others, I don’t want an irrational mob of users kicking me out of my own community that I worked to grow.
Mob mentality on social media is also a real problem. People see downvotes and continue to down vote a comment without even reading the whole thing, automatically assuming a user must be an asshole if everyone else downvotes them. Oftentimes, it’s just something people don’t want to hear, but is true.
Without the “irrational mob of users,” wouldn’t the community just be you, and thus… not a community?
Isn’t that missing the entire point? “It’s my community I built it.”
So the people who exist in the community and partake in it aren’t part of it? Only you are because you spearheaded it? When you die they will shut it down in reverence for what has been lost, like the NBA retires numbers?
Then why even give a shit and start one and put unpaid hours into it? I don’t do any work without an end product to show for it. The users are just casually posting media. The mod has to sit there all day and make sure the community doesn’t turn into a shit show.
Then you honestly don’t understand what a community is or why you would want to be involved with it. Sadly this attitude seems to be everywhere these days.
A community isn’t just for you.
We’re literally in the Linuxmemes community where we’re supposed to be part of an Open Source community so this attitude fucking baffles me.
If I write code that gets overwritten by better code, is it really worth it to bitch about how I have nothing to show for it now? Or should I be happy that someone more competent than me made the community better for everyone, including me?
I get that. But I’m from the old school. In the 90s and early 2000s, if you paid for server space, bandwidth, and set up a forum for multiple users, nobody questioned whether it was yours or not and your ability to do whatever you want with it. Users who didn’t like it moved on or started their own.
You don’t own a community on another instance, it’s not even an ambiguous question, you can make one and be the main or only mod. But you do so with the understanding that the actual instance admins can remove you as a mod at any time.
You can still have that level of ownership with your own Lemmy instance, if you wish
Yup. I realize that. If the admin above me says to go fuck myself, I won’t hesitate to leave for another instance.
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The mayor doesn’t own the town
At least the ones that do are the villains in those stories
If you grow it, that’s great! If a “mob of users” votes you out… that’s the community.
And if it doesn’t grow but a mob of users that you’ve pissed off somewhere else go find your community and vote you out of it?
That’s a good legitimate issue.
There’s some things that could be done, like only allow people that have been part of the community for x amount of time may help. But it will definitely need to be thought about further.
But the current solution is permanent changes by mods of a community you are part of still sucks.
Sucked when it was part of reddit and sucks that it’s still a thing here
That was a potential solution I’d considered as well, but that’s also open to abuse (join a community, set a reminder for x amount of time, do the same thing as you were going to do anyway but with a delay). It would probably stop casual harassment but not do much for the KF-level stuff.
If it was easy to solve someone would have already done it, is my feeling. IMO trust in your instance admin to be fair when the community is at odds with the mods is the only practical way to deal with it without basically reinventing secure voting with verified voters. Which sounds like a hassle, but Godspeed to anyone who wants to give it a go.
I may take a stab at it if it bothers me enough. I dont know rust, but I could possibly see playing around with piefed/bookwyrm or some other like platform to prototype. Its probably one of those issues that comes up so rarely that we dont really need to worry too much about. Until its my instance of course 😜 .
Reminder ban communities would totally be a thing. To that, I have no solution other than they would have to be extra-ordinarily coordinated in their trolling. Which the internet is want to do…
To be fair having benevolent mods/admins/dictators are the best case scenario (and we are honestly in a pretty good spot in the fedi).
Not trying to be a dick, just trying to help, but the word you want is “…the internet is wont to do.” It’s a weird ass homophone.
I guess I was thinking like the majority would have to vote you out, that kind of thing…
If it doesn’t grow and it’s only you and get kicked out of the server for being a nuisance, nothing is lost. There was no community there to begin with. Actually, there was a greater super set community that rejected the mod. And, if there’s a small community and they kick you out, even if you founded and started the community, then that’s what the community wants.
You are ignoring that harassment is a problem. If any group of people has the power to follow you around and kick you out of any space you create then congrats, you’ve just made Kiwi Farms a new playground.
That’s what admins are for, meta moderation. I’m not proposing said solution or even suggesting it is desirable. Harassment exist in all human spaces and it is up to those in positions of authority and the collective consensus to stop it. But most internet spaces are dictatorial and authoritarian by default. There are plenty of examples on the fediverse alone. If any admin chooses to promote or protect the harassment then you’re out of luck. If someone wants to annoy the Admins, then they have no moral obligation to protect your community. They are the one’s hosting the service and paying for the servers and bandwidth. No mod has any sort of ownership over anything in here.
EDIT: Maybe it is not right, but that’s how it is right now. If a bad politician gets voted out of office, we don’t call it harassment, even if they founded the town, we call it democracy. But Lemmy is not that, so the idea is moot. Admins are all powerful dictators of their instances.
Maybe have it so only users with x amount of time can “vote” to prevent brigading.
Worked for valve and the steam deck as an anti scalper measure.
That’s literally bullying, what the fuck.
Uh, if you can’t tell the difference between voting and bullying, I don’t know what to tell you.