cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24135976
Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative.
Humans are naturally inclined to believe a single narrative when they’re only presented with a single narrative. That’s the basis of how fiction works. You can’t tell someone a story if they’re questioning every paragraph. However, a well placed sentence questioning that narrative gives the reader the option to chose. They’re no longer in a story being told by one author, and they’re free to choose the narrative that makes sense to them, even if one narrative is being pushed much more heavily than the other.
Unfortunately, some malicious actors are hijacking this natural tendency to be invested in fiction, and they’re using it to create absurd, cult-like trends in non-fiction. They’re using this for various nefarious ends, to turn us against each other, to generate profit, and to affect politics both domestically and internationally.
In a fully anonymous social media platform, we can’t counter this fully. But we can prune some of the most egregious echo chambers.
We’re aware that this policy is going to be subjective. It won’t be popular in all instances. We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments. The point of this is that you should be able to counter those comments with words, and not need moderation/admin tools to do so. One sentence that doesn’t jive with the overall narrative should be easily countered or ignored.
It’s harder to just dismiss that comment if it’s interrupting your fictional story that’s pretending to be real. “The moon is upside down in Australia” does a whole lot more damage to the flat earth argument than “Nobody has crossed the ice wall” does to the truth. The purpose of allowing both of these is to help everyone get a little closer to reality and avoid incubating extreme cult-like behavior online.
A user should be able to (respectfully, infrequently) post/comment about a study showing marijuana is a gateway drug to !marijuana without moderation tools being used to censor that content.
Of course this isn’t about marijuana. There’s a small handful of self-selected moderators who are very transparently looking to push their particular narrative. And they don’t want to allow discussion. They want to function as propaganda and an incubator. Our goal is to allow a few pinholes of light into the Truman show they wish to create. When those users’ pinholes are systematically shut down, we as admins can directly fix the issue.
We don’t expect this policy to be perfect. Admins are not aware of everything that happens on our instances and don’t expect to be. This is a tool that allows us to trim the most extreme of our communities and guide them to something more reasonable. This policy is the board that we point to when we see something obscene on [email protected] so that we can actually do something about it without being too authoritarian ourselves. We want to enable our users to counter the absolute BS, and be able to step in when self-selected moderators silence those reasonable people.
Some communities will receive an immediate notice with a link to this new policy. The most egregious communities will comply, or their moderators will be removed from those communities.
Moderators, if someone is responding to many root comments in every thread, that’s not “in a smaller proportion” and you’re free to do what you like about that. If their “counter” narrative posts are making up half of the posts to your community, you’re free to address that. If they’re belligerent or rude, of course you know what to do. If they’re just saying something you don’t like, respectfully, and they’re not spamming it, use your words instead of your moderation abilities.
Removed by mod
Say what now?
The thing is, what is or is not a “mental illness” isn’t defined by you, or by me, it’s defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, written and published by the American Psychiatric Association.
Homosexuality USED to be defined as a mental illness in the DSM III published in 1980, it was maintained in the DSM III R in 1987, and the DSM IV in 1994 and DSM IV TR in 2000.
It was wholly removed from the DSM V in 2013, and frankly we should be ashamed it took that long.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_DSM
Calling it a mental illness now, in 2025, is at best “quaint”, and at worst materially and factually wrong.
And you’re still entertaining the discussion, still kicking it around and keeping it alive, debating the merits and acting like it’s a topic worthy of conversation. Look at you looking up specific definitions and the history of the DSM.
Even knowing it was an illustrative example of trolling, you still got trolled by it.
That’s the entire game, and you willingly, nay triumphantly played it. I bet you’d bd willing to argue it back and forth for pages, giving it a little more legitimacy with every word.
Do you see the problem now?
I’m demonstrating the problem. :)
oof, sorry, got usernames mixed up
I’m responding because I think you prove the point that there are situations where this policy does not work.
This is not the proper forum to be having a “discussion” like this, because there is no proper forum to have a discussion like this. The misuse of the term “mental illness” is a nonstarter. Mental health disorders become mental illness when those disorders begin to consistently and negatively impact an individual’s emotional, physical, and/or social functioning. Simply being homosexual does not do that. Prejudice associated with, and stigma attributed to, homosexuality are the root causes of mental health issues among homosexuals.
Incorrectly labeling homosexuality as a mental illness must be rejected outright and provides no room for further discussion.
Ah yes: just asking questions. Just a point to consider. Just my opinion.
Unlike on TV, if lawyers pull the inflammatory-question-in-front-of-the-jury trick twice, they get in serious damn trouble with the judge.
There’s a reason judges get absurdly free reign in their own courtrooms, because if they don’t, this shit gets weaponised.