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Summary
Tipping in U.S. restaurants has dropped to 19.3%, the lowest in six years, driven by frustration over rising menu prices and increased prompts for tips in non-traditional settings.
Only 38% of consumers tipped 20% or more in 2024, down from 56% in 2021, reflecting tighter budgets.
Diners are cutting back on outings, spending less, and tipping less. Some restaurants are adding service fees, further reducing tips.
Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.
Key cities like D.C. and Chicago are phasing in higher minimum wages for tipped workers.
See, that actually does sound like the right way to do it, because you aren’t refusing to pay for a service being provided to you. Instead you’re refusing to use the service altogether, which more directly affects the business owner rather than worker. It still impacts the worker (due to lower overall business) but in a much less damaging way than simply not tipping.
if you don’t tip, their employer has to by law. If not that’s wage theft and it is not the concern of the clients to enforce your rights for you.
I actually don’t think this is a good argument, and I responded to something comparable to this line of reasoning elsewhere in the thread:
I’m gonna go ahead and vote you up anyway because I think you’re contributing to the conversation.
then the fight should be to fix that. “Wages getting stolen” and “the minimum wage is too low” are two separate issues.
Well, yes. But actually no. The difference between the actual value of the work and what is paid by the employer is retained by the employer. I assert that is wage theft by itself. A law increasing the federal minimum wage to living standards across the board, accounting for inflation and cola in different areas, would address both of those problems. It would account for both the types of wage theft I have already identified, and a few others, but Many more would remain unaddressed. Ultimately “wages getting stolen” is itself Many different issues.
In my opinion.
Blame the exploited for their exploitation and don’t acknowledge your part in it. You are a good American.
I think this is about the right take. I wish you might not berate us Americans for our culturally indoctrinated ignorance. Some of us actually do try.
I feel I have a right as it’s the culture I was born into, but still acknowledge it’s flaws (as do you, to be fair).
True some of us do try. Others glory in their lack of effort. Many of those are in this thread.
I am not american, I live in one of those countries where shit that can’t possibly ever work, according to americans, regularly does.
No, the client has no part in the exploitation.
You certainly have the attitude of an American, and the economic understanding of one too.
Let me take a different tack and remind myself of our points of agreement:
I think that we both agree that the worker is valuable, and that their work is valuable. You have indicated as much.
I think we can both agree that the worker is not being paid fairly for their work in the current system. I don’t think you would entertain the discussion otherwise.
I think we can both agree that the current system of tipping is inherently problematic- you pointed out that “people have a right not to tip, but are wrong for doing so” or something to that effect.
I’m willing to bet, with a lesser but still decisive confidence than those other three propositions:
You probably think the employer is (in principle) chiefly responsible for fair compensation of their employees, or you at least recognize this is the case in any non-tipped position. (ie that tipped compensation is an exception to the norm)
I’m putting myself out on a limb to infer:
We probably also agree that if congress instituted a fair living minimum wage pegged to inflation across the board for all, or at least abolished the sub-minimum wage tipped compensation limit, we wouldn’t need to be having this discussion.
Please correct me if I have put any words in your mouth.
Any words you may have put in my mouth ( I don’t think you did but I’m on a 12 hour shift while we’re having this discussion so I don’t have the energy to check what I’ve already said) are ones I agree with. I do think we agree on the most important parts of what we’ve talked about (as you’ve laid out here).
I’m gonna put a pin in this for tonight. Thank you for the discussion.
Have a good night. I may not return to this discussion tomorrow, but it’s been nice talking to you.