1% is 3.8 million people. They’ll likely be ostracized, forced into hiding, and we all know the effects of that.
We’re both describing terrible things, terrible things that are short of hunting people down and loading them into trains.
Your comparison does a disservice to everyone. Setting the bar at the damn holocaust gives our opponents an easy out. “They act like we’re”, “we’re just”, are the natural, easy responses.
Don’t give them easy outs. Things can be less terrible than the actual Holocaust and still be terrible.
They’re talking about rounding up 20 million people and deporting them. Do you really think you can do that without setting up massive camps that match or exceed the scale of anything the Nazis set up? And if you really want to move that many people around, you may end up having to use trains.
Oh, and worse, they have no plan on how to actually deport that many people. The Nazis originally planned to deport all the Jews as well. Yet they quickly found that there simply weren’t enough nations willing to accept all these deportees. Other countries aren’t obligated to accept your deportees.
So you now have millions of people in camps, costing a fortune to maintain, and no where to send these people. That always ends in slavery, death, or death by slavery. Whenever your plan starts with “round up tens of millions of people and put them in camps,” you can guarantee that a massive death toll is going to follow.
And I think your comment here is a hell of a lot more valuable than starting out with “IDK How to tell you this, but fascist racists own everything and are planning to kill a whole bunch of people soon.”
You can’t just skip to the end of the worst case scenario without people blowing you off. I mostly agree with you; I just think that particular messaging is damaging.
1% is 3.8 million people. They’ll likely be ostracized, forced into hiding, and we all know the effects of that.
We’re both describing terrible things, terrible things that are short of hunting people down and loading them into trains.
Your comparison does a disservice to everyone. Setting the bar at the damn holocaust gives our opponents an easy out. “They act like we’re”, “we’re just”, are the natural, easy responses.
Don’t give them easy outs. Things can be less terrible than the actual Holocaust and still be terrible.
They’re talking about rounding up 20 million people and deporting them. Do you really think you can do that without setting up massive camps that match or exceed the scale of anything the Nazis set up? And if you really want to move that many people around, you may end up having to use trains.
Oh, and worse, they have no plan on how to actually deport that many people. The Nazis originally planned to deport all the Jews as well. Yet they quickly found that there simply weren’t enough nations willing to accept all these deportees. Other countries aren’t obligated to accept your deportees.
So you now have millions of people in camps, costing a fortune to maintain, and no where to send these people. That always ends in slavery, death, or death by slavery. Whenever your plan starts with “round up tens of millions of people and put them in camps,” you can guarantee that a massive death toll is going to follow.
And I think your comment here is a hell of a lot more valuable than starting out with “IDK How to tell you this, but fascist racists own everything and are planning to kill a whole bunch of people soon.”
You can’t just skip to the end of the worst case scenario without people blowing you off. I mostly agree with you; I just think that particular messaging is damaging.
I think starting off so dismissive until later in the thread makes it seem very much like you don’t mostly agree and is more damaging to the idea