• @[email protected]
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    Yes. I already said it was censorship. Again: how is this pro-CCP propaganda? Do you understand the difference between censorship and propaganda?

    • @PugJesus
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      1410 hours ago

      Yes. I already said it was censorship. Again: how is this pro-CCP propaganda? Do you understand the difference between censorship and propaganda?

      If you don’t think that suppressing content that goes against a point of view whilst simultaneously boosting content that agrees with a point of view is propaganda, I suppose you must think Twitter’s recent developments over the past two years (or so? Time is getting fuzzy) are not a propaganda effort either.

      • Nougat
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        1710 hours ago

        Dude is just arguing semantics, that “propaganda” necessarily has to be a misleading message in favor of its sender.

        Of course, tailoring of information by omission is also propaganda.

        • @[email protected]
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          My point is that propaganda is not necessarily evil. I dislike propaganda from the CCP as much as the next non-tankie. But claiming “this platform is spreading propaganda, therefore evil” is ignorant as best and condoning the other imperialist propaganda at worst.

          Know it’s from China and don’t believe anything Tiktok says on the CCP. Done.

          I happen to like the Palestine propaganda on Tiktok and dislike the imperial core censoring dissidents, that’s all.

          • @PugJesus
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            My point is that propaganda is not necessarily evil. I dislike propaganda from the CCP as much as the next non-tankie. But claiming “this platform is spreading propaganda, therefore evil” is ignorant as best and condoning the other imperialist propaganda at worst.

            What kind of propaganda is the CGP pushing, exactly? Is it with us in the room, right now?

            Umm, that’s not really propaganda, homie. That’s simple censorship. There’s a difference.

            Again: how is this pro-CCP propaganda? Do you understand the difference between censorship and propaganda?

            Sounds a lot more like ‘denying propaganda is being pushed’

            Propaganda can be for good or bad. But acknowledging that it is propaganda is a necessary first step in either case for any citizen worth the name, whether a citizen of a nation or the world.

              • @PugJesus
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                “Propaganda from the CCP is not a good thing”

                “It’s not propaganda.”

                “It literally is.”

                “It’s not.”

                “It literally is, and here are the receipts.”

                “It’s not.”

                “This is the line in the receipt where it clearly states it is.”

                “Well, my point is that propaganda is not necessarily evil.”

                “Good or evil, it’s a prerequisite for anyone with pretensions to politics beyond a tribal or gut instinct to recognize that something is propaganda.”

                “You’re missing my point.”

                Please. Show me where this summary is wrong. Show me the point I missed.

            • @[email protected]
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              No, it’s the other way around: Propaganda is trying to influence one’s political beliefs. Most news is propaganda, political memes are propaganda, “go vote!” signs are propaganda, uncle Sam is from propaganda, etc.

              I’m talking about the neutral definition. From Wikipedia:

              Beginning in the twentieth century, the English term propaganda became associated with a manipulative approach, but historically, propaganda had been a neutral descriptive term of any material that promotes certain opinions or ideologies “Ideology”.

      • @[email protected]
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        My point is: if we all would use a more broad definition of the term propaganda, instead of calling nothing but political messaging we didn’t like propaganda, we’d all live in a more politically literate society.

        I think this meme actively reduces media literacy.